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06-21-2016, 12:13 PM   #61
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Hasselblad X1D Leaked: World's First Medium Format Mirrorless Camera

Well the first mirrorless medium format in the world. $2000 more than Pentax 645Z.

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But is it weather sealed
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Obviously, it's got a 40x53,4mm C-Mos sensor.
Probably the 645Z killer... afaIQ, compactness, flash synch.speed and AF are concerned...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Obviously, it's got a 40x53,4mm C-Mos sensor.
Probably the 645Z killer... afaIQ, compactness, flash synch.speed and AF are concerned...
Price too... I mean i cant afford the 645z at 6.5k maybe the 645D (when hit the 2k) that way i coul buy a few hundred usd old 645 lenses, cause i dont believe the new Pentax or the Hassy will be afordable.... this maybe in 10 years when the Medium format reach the prices of today 35mm...



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Less than 10 K for a Hassy MF "big" sensor mirrorless is really not expensive.
Neither the first 2 lenses' announced prices.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Obviously, it's got a 40x53,4mm C-Mos sensor.
Probably the 645Z killer... afaIQ, compactness, flash synch.speed and AF are concerned...
obviously? more likely the 44*33
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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Less than 10 K for a Hassy MF "big" sensor mirrorless is really not expensive.
Neither the first 2 lenses' announced prices.
Maybe, but for someone like me than dont make money out of this even the K1 was a big expense, if, someday i could move only for hobby to a MF today i only can foresee the scenario 645D plus even older by that day lenses....

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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
obviously? more likely the 44*33
Look at the picture with the inside sensor. If this sensor is 33mm eight, that means the ML grip is less than 9cm in eight, or like the one of a Sony A6000 : impossible.
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Which manufacturer would nowadays limit a brand new mount and lenses to such 33x44 cropped sensor ?

Wake up Ricoh...

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QuoteOriginally posted by Zygonyx Quote
Look at the picture with the inside sensor. If this sensor is 33mm eight, that means the ML grip is less than 9cm in eight, or like the one of a Sony A6000 : impossible.
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Which manufacturer would nowadays limit a brand new mount and lenses to such 33x44 cropped sensor ?

Wake up Ricoh...
I can look but I can't see the dimensions. Obviously Pentax is doomed again.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
I can look but I can't see the dimensions. Obviously Pentax is doomed again.
ROTFL.

If Ricoh does the same they will do it half this price.
I don't think Hassy needs anything but being first... or crushed.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
I can look but I can't see the dimensions. Obviously Pentax is doomed again.
I really dont know, to make Hassy produce an under 10k MF camera... it mean that Pentax really hits they numbers, dont know how many camera it mean but i expect a price reduction at the 645z and possible a new camera... Maye with 100Mpx.

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Hasselblad won't cannibalize on this: Hasselblad announces 100MP H6D-100c capable of 4K, H6D-50c 50MP option: Digital Photography Review
Anyway this is a mirrorless for street work with probably few lenses available or with an ungainly large adapter. It's not for the 645z target audience.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
But is it weather sealed
Wait till tomorrow morning for official announcement.

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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
ROTFL.

If Ricoh does the same they will do it half this price.
I don't think Hassy needs anything but being first... or crushed.
Sony and Fuji also working on the mirrorless medium format camera. They might sell those in cheaper price.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
I can look but I can't see the dimensions. Obviously Pentax is doomed again.
Well the Pentax revamp was fun while it lasted.. we had a good 2 month run.. at least..



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I think that Hasselblad felt that they needed to go big or go home. Hence, the mirrorless MF design, as they probably felt that they had very little to loose. Making the change to the lens mount essentially freed-ed up their overall design space, but you can only do this infrequently.

Having Sony and Fuji consider MF, would certainly ramp up the potential demand / volume of the sensors. However, there is essentially a price floor on the sensors due to their size and the number that can be laid out on a wafer - and wafers as the basic raw material are expensive. Probably the best that can be done is to scale the wafer size so as to optimize / maximize the number of sensors that a single wafer can produce. That will essentially lock in the best cost possible for MF sensors to whatever specific sensor size - right now the 44 x 33.

Sony has the lion's share of the sensor market. They are also trying to put the overall company back together, and the profit margins from the sensors is one of their bright points. I doubt that they feel the need to reduce margins to ramp up sales of sensors, so that everyone else can sell cheaper MF bodies. There is a minimum cost that will define the floor to the MF body market.

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