645D discontinued?

Imp · 05-10-2016, 02:27 PM

Sorry for the pun in the title... if it even counts as one

645d is marked as discontinued on B&H - is that news? is it temporary? It wouldn't be all that surprising if its run is finally over...

Adam · 05-10-2016, 03:25 PM

It's been out of production of a while. Looks like stock is finally starting to run out!

(BTW, I think the K-50 is next to follow suit. It's also out of production, so the factory is shipping out new units from existing inventory).

reh321 · 05-10-2016, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Adam

It's been out of production of a while. Looks like stock is finally starting to run out!

(BTW, I think the K-50 is next to follow suit. It's also out of production, so the factory is shipping out new units from existing inventory).

Wouldn't they basically have to empty their K-50 inventory before they could even thing of releasing the K-S3 that various people here have been hoping for??

Adam · 05-10-2016, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Wouldn't they basically have to empty their K-50 inventory before they could even thing of releasing the K-S3 that various people here have been hoping for??

Well, I'd expect the K-S3 to succeed the K-S2 as the upper entry-level/mid-range offering.

The K-50 needs an entry-level replacement ("K-60"). I'd expect to see one later this year, along with at least plans of a new APS-C flagship.

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Imp · 05-10-2016, 04:10 PM

K-s2 hasn't succeeded the K-50? I thought the K-_0 line was over, and the K-s_ is the new consumer body.

reh321 · 05-10-2016, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Imp

K-s2 hasn't succeeded the K-50? I thought the K-_0 line was over, and the K-s_ is the new consumer body.

For a year now I've been commenting {some might even say "complaining"} about Pentax's management of their lower level K-mount cameras. They've been selling K-50, K-S1, and K-S2 all in parallel, with no clear indication of what market they see for each one. When my Canon Rebel unexpectedly died just about a year ago, and I decided to go with a K-mount, I ended up getting a K-30 because of price, because at a time when our cash was quite tight, I didn't see any great benefit to me of paying more than twice as much to get a K-Sx. {incidentally, the upper level isn't much better, since they seem to be selling the K-3 and K-3ii in parallel}. My belief is that their line is bloated - just too many models for the average user to evaluate - and they need to "rationalize" things before they introduce any new models.

mee · 05-10-2016, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Imp

K-s2 hasn't succeeded the K-50? I thought the K-_0 line was over, and the K-s_ is the new consumer body.

No, they are two different lines... or at least started as such.

Imp · 05-10-2016, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by reh321

My belief is that their line is bloated - just too many models for the average user to evaluate - and they need to "rationalize" things before they introduce any new models.

I agree with you - but also take a look at Canon: Sl1, T5, T5i, T6, T6i, T6s (then 70d 80d, 7dmkii) - ALTHOUGH, it is mostly clear who they are targeted too. Pentax marketing is confused, but not bloated in the way Canon is.

totsmuyco · 05-11-2016, 02:16 AM

Well, I'm really excited to see the Ks-3 and the K-3II replacement. I hope to see great improvements in noise handling of the K-3II replacement. Keep going Pentax!

**Digitalis** · 05-11-2016, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Adam

I'd expect to see one later this year, along with at least plans of a new APS-C flagship.

I don't expect an APS-C flagship, sure Nikon and Canon have theirs - I don't think Pentax can dislodge either of the big two in that particular area of the market. And there is little point in trying to compete.

Originally posted by Imp

Pentax marketing is confused

Pentax marketing is utterly aimless. I don't think they have the faintest idea outside of Japan what the market is like...or where it is going.

Adam · 05-11-2016, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

I don't expect an APS-C flagship, sure Nikon and Canon have theirs - I don't think Pentax can dislodge either of the big two in that particular area of the market. And there is little point in trying to compete.

Well they're certainly not going to do that, but the K-3 is starting to long for an update...

reh321 · 05-12-2016, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

I don't expect an APS-C flagship, sure Nikon and Canon have theirs - I don't think Pentax can dislodge either of the big two in that particular area of the market. And there is little point in trying to compete.

As far as I know, Ricoh does not follow the GE model, of continuing in a market only if they can be #1 or #2. If they don't design any more APS-C cameras, then I can guarantee a 0% share of the APS-C market in a few years, but a regular refreshing of their current lines is a very reasonable approach.

KDD · 05-12-2016, 06:58 PM

Next new mid-range Full Frame camera!!???

gazonk · 05-13-2016, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by KDD

Next new mid-range Full Frame camera!!???

That would be an interesting move from the DSLR maker which long was the only one really committed to APS-C!

**Digitalis** · 05-13-2016, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by KDD

Next new mid-range Full Frame camera!!???

I think that is more likely than a flagship APS-C DSLR, there is a full frame 24mp sensor...or Pentax could really grab the High ISO crowd with a 16Mp Camera with higher capture rate, different crop modes and similar, if not higher extended ISO than the K-1 , but with only a hinged rear LCD.

05-11-2016, 10:08 AM	#11
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595	Originally posted by Digitalis I don't expect an APS-C flagship, sure Nikon and Canon have theirs - I don't think Pentax can dislodge either of the big two in that particular area of the market. And there is little point in trying to compete. Well they're certainly not going to do that, but the K-3 is starting to long for an update... Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

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05-10-2016, 02:27 PM	#1
Imp Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Washington, DC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,749	645D discontinued? Sorry for the pun in the title... if it even counts as one 645d is marked as discontinued on B&H - is that news? is it temporary? It wouldn't be all that surprising if its run is finally over...

05-10-2016, 03:25 PM	#2
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595	It's been out of production of a while. Looks like stock is finally starting to run out! (BTW, I think the K-50 is next to follow suit. It's also out of production, so the factory is shipping out new units from existing inventory). Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

05-10-2016, 03:40 PM	#3
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,178	Originally posted by Adam It's been out of production of a while. Looks like stock is finally starting to run out! (BTW, I think the K-50 is next to follow suit. It's also out of production, so the factory is shipping out new units from existing inventory). Wouldn't they basically have to empty their K-50 inventory before they could even thing of releasing the K-S3 that various people here have been hoping for??

05-10-2016, 03:54 PM	#4
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595	Originally posted by reh321 Wouldn't they basically have to empty their K-50 inventory before they could even thing of releasing the K-S3 that various people here have been hoping for?? Well, I'd expect the K-S3 to succeed the K-S2 as the upper entry-level/mid-range offering. The K-50 needs an entry-level replacement ("K-60"). I'd expect to see one later this year, along with at least plans of a new APS-C flagship. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

05-10-2016, 04:10 PM	#5
Imp Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Washington, DC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,749 Original Poster	K-s2 hasn't succeeded the K-50? I thought the K-_0 line was over, and the K-s_ is the new consumer body.

05-10-2016, 04:33 PM	#6
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,178	Originally posted by Imp K-s2 hasn't succeeded the K-50? I thought the K-_0 line was over, and the K-s_ is the new consumer body. For a year now I've been commenting {some might even say "complaining"} about Pentax's management of their lower level K-mount cameras. They've been selling K-50, K-S1, and K-S2 all in parallel, with no clear indication of what market they see for each one. When my Canon Rebel unexpectedly died just about a year ago, and I decided to go with a K-mount, I ended up getting a K-30 because of price, because at a time when our cash was quite tight, I didn't see any great benefit to me of paying more than twice as much to get a K-Sx. {incidentally, the upper level isn't much better, since they seem to be selling the K-3 and K-3ii in parallel}. My belief is that their line is bloated - just too many models for the average user to evaluate - and they need to "rationalize" things before they introduce any new models.

05-10-2016, 04:45 PM	#7
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Imp K-s2 hasn't succeeded the K-50? I thought the K-_0 line was over, and the K-s_ is the new consumer body. No, they are two different lines... or at least started as such.

05-10-2016, 05:53 PM	#8
Imp Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Washington, DC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,749 Original Poster	Originally posted by reh321 My belief is that their line is bloated - just too many models for the average user to evaluate - and they need to "rationalize" things before they introduce any new models. I agree with you - but also take a look at Canon: Sl1, T5, T5i, T6, T6i, T6s (then 70d 80d, 7dmkii) - ALTHOUGH, it is mostly clear who they are targeted too. Pentax marketing is confused, but not bloated in the way Canon is.

05-11-2016, 02:16 AM	#9
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Well, I'm really excited to see the Ks-3 and the K-3II replacement. I hope to see great improvements in noise handling of the K-3II replacement. Keep going Pentax!

05-11-2016, 02:29 AM	#10
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Adam I'd expect to see one later this year, along with at least plans of a new APS-C flagship. I don't expect an APS-C flagship, sure Nikon and Canon have theirs - I don't think Pentax can dislodge either of the big two in that particular area of the market. And there is little point in trying to compete. Originally posted by Imp Pentax marketing is confused Pentax marketing is utterly aimless. I don't think they have the faintest idea outside of Japan what the market is like...or where it is going.

05-12-2016, 12:44 PM	#12
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,178	Originally posted by Digitalis I don't expect an APS-C flagship, sure Nikon and Canon have theirs - I don't think Pentax can dislodge either of the big two in that particular area of the market. And there is little point in trying to compete. As far as I know, Ricoh does not follow the GE model, of continuing in a market only if they can be #1 or #2. If they don't design any more APS-C cameras, then I can guarantee a 0% share of the APS-C market in a few years, but a regular refreshing of their current lines is a very reasonable approach.

05-12-2016, 06:58 PM	#13
KDD Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 403	Next new mid-range Full Frame camera!!???

05-13-2016, 06:46 AM	#14
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by KDD Next new mid-range Full Frame camera!!??? That would be an interesting move from the DSLR maker which long was the only one really committed to APS-C!

05-13-2016, 06:54 AM	#15
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by KDD Next new mid-range Full Frame camera!!??? I think that is more likely than a flagship APS-C DSLR, there is a full frame 24mp sensor...or Pentax could really grab the High ISO crowd with a 16Mp Camera with higher capture rate, different crop modes and similar, if not higher extended ISO than the K-1 , but with only a hinged rear LCD.