Metz 58 AF2 Firmware 4.1

rawr · 05-22-2016, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by Class A

Then you should be able to see the "Zoom Size" menu option on the flash.

It may also be necessary for the flash head to be pointing directly forward for the zoom option to be available. Not pointing upwards, or to the rear or side for bounce. Which kind of makes sense.

Franc · 05-22-2016, 11:04 AM

its weird, i can see the zoom size option when i put the metz on the k3, bit it doesn't show when i put it on the k1. At least the A mode works so i can use the flash

Class A · 05-22-2016, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by Franc

its weird, i can see the zoom size option when i put the metz on the k3, bit it doesn't show when i put it on the k1.

Strange, I wonder why it works for rawr?

Perhaps putting the K-1 into crop mode does the trick?

Could you try a bit more and send a bug report to Metz, please?
Metz is currently looking into whether they can provide a firmware update and the more info they get, the better.

Franc · 05-22-2016, 11:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Class A

Strange, I wonder why it works for rawr?

Perhaps putting the K-1 into crop mode does the trick?

Could you try a bit more and send a bug report to Metz, please?
Metz is currently looking into whether they can provide a firmware update and the more info they get, the better.

putting the K1 into crop mode did indeed did the trick, however putting it on auto or FF mode pttl didn't work anymore only in crop mode. At least it will work in A mode so i can use the flash on my son's wedding.
Will put in a bug report at Metz.

rawr · 05-23-2016, 12:05 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Class A

I wonder why it works for rawr?

Probably some subtle differences between my 52-AF1 and the 58-AF2 firmware?

Franc · 05-23-2016, 07:57 AM

reply from technical support Metz:
"Unfortunately we also had to recognise that the flash unit mecablitz 58 AF-2 digital for Pentax doesn't work together with the new Pentax K-1. If this camera is used with the setting for full frame the P-TTL-flash-mode doesn't work anymore. We will check the Pentax K-1 in our development department concerning this problem as soon as we can get this camera. After that we can modify the firmware of the afore-mentioned flash unit. As soon as this new firmware is available we will inform you again."

It will take a while i guess.

**Clinton** · 05-23-2016, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Franc

It will take a while i guess.

This gives me a sad.

Gutta Perka · 05-24-2016, 03:22 AM

...flashes work.

I have two Metz 58-AF1:s - but I don't want to do tricky-tricks.

Can I buy the cheapest Pentax PTTL-flash at once and it works.
Anyway I think one must have a "little-one" in the pocket anyway as K-1 does not have a built in flash.

Or any other suggestions?

Class A · 05-24-2016, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by Gutta Perka

Or any other suggestions?

On-camera radio trigger with manual controls to remotely control off-camera flashes without the limitations of P-TTL and optical triggering.

Sweet as.

Gutta Perka · 05-24-2016, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by Class A

On-camera radio trigger with manual controls to remotely control off-camera flashes without the limitations of P-TTL and optical triggering.

Sweet as.

Witch one(s) do You suggest that fits in a pocket?

Price tag(s)?

As I'm not expecting a quick fix I'll look on the "ebay" for a Pentax one - but the cutest is a mini tilt-able Metz - bahhh!

Class A · 05-24-2016, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Gutta Perka

Witch one(s) do You suggest that fits in a pocket?

The Cactus V6 will remote control the power levels of all sorts of flashes (from various brands).

Not the smallest of triggers by any stretch of imagination but smaller and much, much lighter than most flashes.

Gutta Perka · 05-24-2016, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Class A

The Cactus V6 will remote control the power levels of all sorts of flashes (from various brands).

Not the smallest of triggers by any stretch of imagination but smaller and much, much lighter than most flashes.

OK - thanks for the answer....however to advanced for me...seems more like a studiokit and to complicated for fast decisions.

Anyway - with todays ISO:s You don't always need big heavy flashes.

I ebayed an used Pentax AF 200FG for 35$ - to complement my two Metz 58 AF1's while waiting for working firmwares.

**wizofoz** · 05-24-2016, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Franc

reply from technical support Metz:
"Unfortunately we also had to recognise that the flash unit mecablitz 58 AF-2 digital for Pentax doesn't work together with the new Pentax K-1. If this camera is used with the setting for full frame the P-TTL-flash-mode doesn't work anymore. We will check the Pentax K-1 in our development department concerning this problem as soon as we can get this camera. After that we can modify the firmware of the afore-mentioned flash unit. As soon as this new firmware is available we will inform you again."

It will take a while i guess.

I wonder if you would be so kind as to inform them that the same issue exists for the 58 AF-1

Thanks

Gutta Perka · 05-24-2016, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by wizofoz

I wonder if you would be so kind as to inform them that the same issue exists for the 58 AF-1

Thanks

I think Metz-Pentax is aware of the problem with the 58 AF1 as well - it's almost identical with the AF-2 one.
The weak thing with the AF-1 was that the plastic shoe often broke - the AF-2 shoe is of metal and much stronger.
I have heard that if you are very handy you can change the AF-1 shoe to an AF-2 shoe.

By the way - doing all tricks mentioned above I have a problem.
For example using A-setting on the Metz.
When regulating exposure with the +/- button on the camera - nothing happens - I alway get a theoretical correct exposure. That is " -3 " gives the same exposure as the " 0 " setting with the flash on.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong - something else to be set?

**clackers** · 05-25-2016, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Gutta Perka

I ebayed an used Pentax AF 200FG for 35$.

That's what I bought to carry around as a replacement for the pop-up flash.

05-24-2016, 03:22 AM	#23
Gutta Perka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 126	OK - does all Pentax own... ...flashes work. I have two Metz 58-AF1:s - but I don't want to do tricky-tricks. Can I buy the cheapest Pentax PTTL-flash at once and it works. Anyway I think one must have a "little-one" in the pocket anyway as K-1 does not have a built in flash. Or any other suggestions?

05-24-2016, 05:01 AM	#25
Gutta Perka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 126	Originally posted by Class A On-camera radio trigger with manual controls to remotely control off-camera flashes without the limitations of P-TTL and optical triggering. Sweet as. Witch one(s) do You suggest that fits in a pocket? Price tag(s)? As I'm not expecting a quick fix I'll look on the "ebay" for a Pentax one - but the cutest is a mini tilt-able Metz - bahhh! Last edited by Gutta Perka; 05-24-2016 at 05:08 AM.

05-24-2016, 11:52 PM	#29
Gutta Perka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 126	Originally posted by wizofoz I wonder if you would be so kind as to inform them that the same issue exists for the 58 AF-1 Thanks I think Metz-Pentax is aware of the problem with the 58 AF1 as well - it's almost identical with the AF-2 one. The weak thing with the AF-1 was that the plastic shoe often broke - the AF-2 shoe is of metal and much stronger. I have heard that if you are very handy you can change the AF-1 shoe to an AF-2 shoe. By the way - doing all tricks mentioned above I have a problem. For example using A-setting on the Metz. When regulating exposure with the +/- button on the camera - nothing happens - I alway get a theoretical correct exposure. That is " -3 " gives the same exposure as the " 0 " setting with the flash on. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong - something else to be set? Last edited by Gutta Perka; 05-25-2016 at 12:07 AM.

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05-22-2016, 06:45 AM	#16
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Class A Then you should be able to see the "Zoom Size" menu option on the flash. It may also be necessary for the flash head to be pointing directly forward for the zoom option to be available. Not pointing upwards, or to the rear or side for bounce. Which kind of makes sense.

05-22-2016, 11:04 AM	#17
Franc Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hoevelaken Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,212	its weird, i can see the zoom size option when i put the metz on the k3, bit it doesn't show when i put it on the k1. At least the A mode works so i can use the flash

05-22-2016, 11:27 PM	#18
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Franc its weird, i can see the zoom size option when i put the metz on the k3, bit it doesn't show when i put it on the k1. Strange, I wonder why it works for rawr? Perhaps putting the K-1 into crop mode does the trick? Could you try a bit more and send a bug report to Metz, please? Metz is currently looking into whether they can provide a firmware update and the more info they get, the better.

05-22-2016, 11:58 PM - 1 Like	#19
Franc Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hoevelaken Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,212	Originally posted by Class A Strange, I wonder why it works for rawr? Perhaps putting the K-1 into crop mode does the trick? Could you try a bit more and send a bug report to Metz, please? Metz is currently looking into whether they can provide a firmware update and the more info they get, the better. putting the K1 into crop mode did indeed did the trick, however putting it on auto or FF mode pttl didn't work anymore only in crop mode. At least it will work in A mode so i can use the flash on my son's wedding. Will put in a bug report at Metz.

05-23-2016, 12:05 AM - 1 Like	#20
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Class A I wonder why it works for rawr? Probably some subtle differences between my 52-AF1 and the 58-AF2 firmware?

05-23-2016, 07:57 AM	#21
Franc Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hoevelaken Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,212	reply from technical support Metz: "Unfortunately we also had to recognise that the flash unit mecablitz 58 AF-2 digital for Pentax doesn't work together with the new Pentax K-1. If this camera is used with the setting for full frame the P-TTL-flash-mode doesn't work anymore. We will check the Pentax K-1 in our development department concerning this problem as soon as we can get this camera. After that we can modify the firmware of the afore-mentioned flash unit. As soon as this new firmware is available we will inform you again." It will take a while i guess.

05-23-2016, 08:19 PM	#22
Clinton Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,910	Originally posted by Franc It will take a while i guess. This gives me a sad.

05-24-2016, 04:45 AM	#24
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Gutta Perka Or any other suggestions? On-camera radio trigger with manual controls to remotely control off-camera flashes without the limitations of P-TTL and optical triggering. Sweet as.

05-24-2016, 02:52 PM	#26
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Gutta Perka Witch one(s) do You suggest that fits in a pocket? The Cactus V6 will remote control the power levels of all sorts of flashes (from various brands). Not the smallest of triggers by any stretch of imagination but smaller and much, much lighter than most flashes.

05-24-2016, 11:04 PM	#27
Gutta Perka Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 126	Originally posted by Class A The Cactus V6 will remote control the power levels of all sorts of flashes (from various brands). Not the smallest of triggers by any stretch of imagination but smaller and much, much lighter than most flashes. OK - thanks for the answer....however to advanced for me...seems more like a studiokit and to complicated for fast decisions. Anyway - with todays ISO:s You don't always need big heavy flashes. I ebayed an used Pentax AF 200FG for 35$ - to complement my two Metz 58 AF1's while waiting for working firmwares.

05-24-2016, 11:31 PM	#28
wizofoz Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne, Outer east. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,695	Originally posted by Franc reply from technical support Metz: "Unfortunately we also had to recognise that the flash unit mecablitz 58 AF-2 digital for Pentax doesn't work together with the new Pentax K-1. If this camera is used with the setting for full frame the P-TTL-flash-mode doesn't work anymore. We will check the Pentax K-1 in our development department concerning this problem as soon as we can get this camera. After that we can modify the firmware of the afore-mentioned flash unit. As soon as this new firmware is available we will inform you again." It will take a while i guess. I wonder if you would be so kind as to inform them that the same issue exists for the 58 AF-1 Thanks

05-25-2016, 12:19 AM	#30
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Gutta Perka I ebayed an used Pentax AF 200FG for 35$. That's what I bought to carry around as a replacement for the pop-up flash.