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11-27-2016, 02:20 PM - 3 Likes   #181
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I'm keeping my DA 70mm Limited until I get confirmation that the new Pentax D FA "Large Aperture Medium Telephoto Single Focus Lens" weighs well under 1kg.
Sigma's moto is "Anything you can make, we can make heavier."

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I'm keeping my DA 70mm Limited until I get confirmation that the new Pentax D FA "Large Aperture Medium Telephoto Single Focus Lens" weighs well under 1kg.
They are complementary: 70mm = short telephoto; medium telephoto = 105/135 to 200/300mm so probably a 135mm f/2ish.
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Except I'm not that happy with the 70's performance on FF (in corners).

QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
Sigma's moto is "Anything you can make, we can make heavier."
I've heard there's a global shortage of lead... Sigma will have to look for other build materials.
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11-28-2016, 04:26 AM   #185
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
They are complementary: 70mm = short telephoto; medium telephoto = 105/135 to 200/300mm so probably a 135mm f/2ish.
Depends on the definition. Are there short telephoto lenses at all? Or does it go from standard to medium?

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Telephoto lenses are sometimes broken into the further sub-types of medium telephoto: lenses covering between a 30° and 10° field of view (67mm to 206mm in 35mm film format), and super telephoto: lenses covering between 8° through less than 1° field of view (over 300mm in 35mm film format).[3]
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Indeed, it does depend on the definition. From a purely semantic point of view, I can see a split between short and long, or between short, medium and long, less so between medium and long since 'medium' means 'in the middle of', 'in-between two things'.

The English Wikipedia makes only the distinction between medium telephoto lenses and super telephoto lenses; the German Wikipedia, between "Porträtobjektive" (portrait lenses; between 85mm and 105/135mm), "Standardteleobjektive" (standard telephoto lenses; between 135mm and 200mm) and "Superteleobjektive" (super telephoto lenses; beyond 200mm).

This website uses "Short Telephoto Lenses (85mm - 135mm)", "Medium Telephoto Lenses (135mm - 300mm)" and "Super Telephoto Lenses (300mm+)" as subtypes. So does our beloved Bojidar Dimitrov: Pentax Short Telephoto Prime Lenses (70-100mm), Pentax Telephoto Prime Lenses (105-200mm) and Pentax Extreme Telephoto Prime Lenses (300-2,000mm).

In addition, we are trying to decipher the meaning of an English expression used as the translation by Japanese people of a Japanese concept, so we better be cautious in drawing conclusions...

Last, if an 85mm would probably be more popular than a 135mm, the latter would better fill the existing gap between 77mm (FA Limited) and 200mm (FF-compatible DA★).

Anyway, we shall know in 2018. Or later...

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I hope that's a typo, and in reality is 2017...

Yes, at this point I have no clue about the focal length of that lens - it can be anything from let's say 60mm to 200mm (and there was a patent about a 200mm f/2.8). I believe the best candidates would be an 85mm-ish or a 200mm; but as I said, I don't actually know.
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Ricoh has taken a traditional focal length route with it's zooms. They probably also will with primes. So a 85mm F1.4 is very likely. Of course they also could introduce cheaper D FA F1.8 to 2.8 lenses that are not on the roadmap. (The DA 50 1.8 or the 35mm 2.4 never were on a roadmap).

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I hope that's a typo, and in reality is 2017...

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It's not a typo, at least not on my part. I was told at the Salon de la Photo in Paris that between one and two lenses from the D FA roadmap would be announced in 2017. The 'Large Aperture Medium Telephoto Single Focus Lens' is the third on the roadmap, after the 'Wide-Angle Single Focus Lens' and the 'Large Aperture Standard Single Focus Lens'.
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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
I find it funny that lens "testers" don't even find the skill to include the quality of size/weight of a lens in the rating. They kind of Rishi'd the whole thing.

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The old Sigma 85 quality of size and weight was a little less than a pound (!) better than the current version (really bad downgrade here) and still I have yet to hear anyone who is not dependend on commercializing photography but does it for the fun of it (the 99%) who ever said he liked to carry the old 85mm one with him.

If a prime is not significantly smaller and lighter than a zoom lens, it is a crappy lens design.

Good for the spec / MTF sheet geeks, not really attractive for consideration for anyone else even when the price drops to a third of the current.
Not everyone puts as much value in weight as you. That's an entirely personal preference. It's fine if that's a huge consideration for you but to say that the reviewers, in general, are bad because they don't do a performance/gram is plain silly.

I'm definitely not a professional photographer and I like carrying my sigma 85mm with me. It is my go-to lens. I have it on my k-1 more often then I have my FA43 on the k-1. Sigma scratch and all.

I go on daily 4+ mile walks with my dog and k-1+sigma at my side. In my work bag I almost always carry my k-1 sigma 85 and FA43. The only time I don't is when it's raining. The weight doesn't bother me.

I can definitely see the appeal to this lens.
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Yet you don't carry the 1.13kg Sigma, but the earlier, lighter model.
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Yet you don't carry the 1.13kg Sigma, but the earlier, lighter model.
True but beholder3 said that no one liked carrying the older 85. I do carry it and the weight doesn't bother me.
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Not everyone ... plain silly.
LOL. Everything is personal preference. Not accepting this is plain silly.

To me and many others it is a poor lens. Nothing is as bad as a tool you can not use because you did not take it with you.

It can be the pinkest plastic or the wet dream of MTF chart fans, but it doesnt reach the minimum standards of weight-quality for a short prime lens.
1130 g for a prime.
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The Sigma 85 is lighter than the Otus 85. And there lots of people who often carry much heavier lenses such as 70-200 f/2.8 (typically weighing 1500 grams) or 300 f/2.8 (typically weighing 2000-2500 grams).

All you can say is that the Sigma 85 f/1.4 doesn't meet your standards for acceptable weight.
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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
LOL. Everything is personal preference. Not accepting this is plain silly.
True but more people consider price to performance a more important top. That's why reviewers focus on that aspect. Review sites need clicks to generate revenue. If weight, specifically quality/weight, were as much of a concern as you suggest, then reviewers would be talking about it more. I'm guessing reason many don't is because they probably don't feel it's much of a concern to their regular readers.

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To me and many others it is a poor lens. Nothing is as bad as a tool you can not use because you did not take it with you.
You're absolutely right but as I mentioned before. I carry the old sigma as well as non-photography related gear around all the time quite comfortably. An additional 400 grams wouldn't bother me me and it seems as though the IQ is top notch. There are many lenses (including pentax lenses) that far exceed the weight of both the new and the old sigma 85. the DFA 70-200 for example is 1.7kg and isn't being compare to a Zeiss Otus in IQ like the 85 art is.

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It can be the pinkest plastic or the wet dream of MTF chart fans, but it doesnt reach the minimum standards of weight-quality for a short prime lens.
1130 g for a prime.
Again with the declarative. where are these minimum weight-quality standards published?
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