Sigma 85mm F1.4 discontinued

zestoi · 08-14-2016, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by serothis

I had this same dilemma back in may. I asked my self these two questions

1) What would I want to see updated on the current sigma 85mm? My answer was, not much. The 85 mm is already a very good lens. Maybe WR but sigma doesn't do that. Sigma traditionally removes the OS feature from k-mount varients.

2) If/When sigma comes out with an "Art" version of the 85mm, will they offer it in the K-mount? Given Sigma's recent rhetoric...it's very possisble they won't.

With that in mind, I decided to buy the current one.

true not much. I think I maybe picked up a FA* 85 too easily and afraid to damage it. plus the sigma seems super sharp which really like since I don't deliver any photos which haven't been edited by my editors anyway. think I might have to just pick up the sigma next week too

---------- Post added 08-14-16 at 01:43 AM ----------

Originally posted by Reed

If we indeed get that new tamron SP lenses, it would be great to get also that tamron dock for them

Friend got it with tamron 85 few weeks ago, works way better than sigma usb dock.

new tamron SP lenses? right now my favourite lens is the old tamron 70-200, damn it's so sharp, and used to love theyre old adaptall lenses.

Reed · 08-14-2016, 02:21 AM

I have Tammy 70-200/2.8,and its great lens, but still I would like to have faster medium-tele and normal prime like SP 85 and 45 in my bag

not to forgett both are weather sealed, and the old zoom isn't

Winder · 08-14-2016, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

I hope you're right. It would be great to see Tamron manufacturing lenses in the k-mount. How I wish they'ed give us their 150-600 and their 16-300.

Since they are already making the D-FA 15-30mm F/2.8 and the D-FA 24-70 F/2.8 it only seem logical. With Ricoh moving to the new KAF4 mount and eliminating the mechanical linkage for aperture control, it makes it much more economical for 3rd parties to manufacture glass for K-mount. We will probably see a Sigma ART 50mm F/1.4 by the end of they year and the current 35mm ART will be changed to the KAF4 mount.

Tamron can make very good glass. The Sony/Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a Tamron design. Sony is the largest share holder in Tamron and Tamron designs a good bit of glass for the for Sony and the Sony/Zeiss line. The Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a very special lens and the main reason I still shoot with my Sony A7II.

Kunzite · 08-14-2016, 09:35 AM

What if... at this Photokina's PF Sigma interview, when asked about Pentax, they will say "we have no plans to expand the K-mount lens line, because it's difficult to reverse engineer the KAF4 electronic aperture control protocol"?
One excuse replaced by another

Zygonyx · 08-14-2016, 10:29 AM

This argument was a bad reason, spoken to avoid the good one : not enough sales potential in K mount.
And i'm affraid that K-1's even rather clear success doesn't change that situation.

Edgar_in_Indy · 08-14-2016, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

I hope you're right. It would be great to see Tamron manufacturing lenses in the k-mount. How I wish they'ed give us their 150-600 and their 16-300.

Tamron's 70-300mm f/4-5.6 Di VC USD SP AF is a lens I would love to see come to K-mount. It's a very good performer that doesn't break the bank, and is also FF compatible. Kind of a bridge lens between budget 300mm zooms and high-end high-speed zooms.

dcpropilot · 08-14-2016, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

This argument was a bad reason, spoken to avoid the good one : not enough sales potential in K mount.
And i'm affraid that K-1's even rather clear success doesn't change that situation.

Hogwash. The current used price of FA*85 1.4 is a clear indication of the need for an AF 85 1.4 with excellent optical quality. Given that Pentax doesn't yet offer it is a clear opportunity for Sigma.

mee · 08-14-2016, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by dcpropilot

Hogwash. The current used price of FA*85 1.4 is a clear indication of the need for an AF 85 1.4 with excellent optical quality. Given that Pentax doesn't yet offer it is a clear opportunity for Sigma.

It is not 'hogwash.' Sigma is a business about profit. There appears to be more profit in continuing to produce their lenses in F and EF/EF-S than retooling to include K. They've even stated as such.. there currently isn't enough demand to warrant their effort to support K mount any more than they currently are.

Hopefully they'll reconsider sooner than later.. but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Just because there is a hole in the lineup doesn't mean Sigma will make more profits filling it than continuing as they are with other highly desired mounts.

Otherwise they could lauch F/4 zooms, 150-600mm Sport and/or Contemporary, and several of the Art series primes since Pentax doesn't have any similar lenses in their lineup.

That said, since they already had a K mount 85/1.4 I could see it coming back as an Art.. but, again, I wouldn't hold my breath.

dcpropilot · 08-14-2016, 04:05 PM

Well, if that's the argument, why would anyone even offer a 85 1.4, including Pentax? I don't think by adding Pentax K is an opportunity lost by adding it to the supported mounts especially since the launch of the K-1. It's in everyone best interest to offer the 85 1.4, and if sigma doesn't do it first with the art version of this lens they would have missed an opportunity. I'd be surprised if they aren't fully aware of this and ready to announce the 85 1.4 art in Pentax K.

mee · 08-14-2016, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by dcpropilot

Well, if that's the argument, why would anyone even offer a 85 1.4, including Pentax? I don't think by adding Pentax K is an opportunity lost by adding it to the supported mounts especially since the launch of the K-1. It's in everyone best interest to offer the 85 1.4, and if sigma doesn't do it first with the art version of this lens they would have missed an opportunity. I'd be surprised if they aren't fully aware of this and ready to announce the 85 1.4 art in Pentax K.

That isn't my argument, not specifically with the 85 1.4 that you so desperately want but in general, that is Sigma corporate's.

dcpropilot · 08-14-2016, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by mee

That isn't my argument, not specifically with the 85 1.4 that you so desperately want but in general, that is Sigma corporate's.

This was Sigma's stance prior to the K-1. Has there been any response from Sigma after the release of the K-1? I guess we'll see in September at Photokina if the 85 1.4 Art will be released in K mount. Hopefully, someone releases an 85 1.4 or even a 1.2 very soon. I'd love to see Pentax, but who knows if and when. I'd really like to see Pentax offer a fully compatible modern portrait prime, hopefully very very soon.

**clackers** · 08-15-2016, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Winder

Tamron can make very good glass. The Sony/Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a Tamron design. Sony is the largest share holder in Tamron and Tamron designs a good bit of glass for the for Sony and the Sony/Zeiss line. The Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a very special lens and the main reason I still shoot with my Sony A7II.

I thought the main Sony lines were Tamrons and the 'Zeiss' ones were made by Cosina.

Mistral75 · 08-15-2016, 06:20 AM

No, the Zeiss-labelled Sony lenses aren't designed nor manufactured by Cosina.

thibs · 08-15-2016, 08:21 AM

ZK, ZF etc are I think, made by Cosina. So are Voigtlanders BTW.

Winder · 08-15-2016, 12:40 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

I thought the main Sony lines were Tamrons and the 'Zeiss' ones were made by Cosina.

Tamron make the Sony and Sony-Zeiss lenses.
Cosina makes the Loxia and Batis
Zeiss makes the Otis, Milvus and Cine glass.

The Sony/Zeiss FE 55mm is part of the same design program that produced the 35mm, 45mm, & 85mm F/1.8 Tamron SP lenses.

08-14-2016, 02:21 AM	#62
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery Posts: 638	I have Tammy 70-200/2.8,and its great lens, but still I would like to have faster medium-tele and normal prime like SP 85 and 45 in my bagnot to forgett both are weather sealed, and the old zoom isn't

08-14-2016, 05:39 PM	#71
dcpropilot Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Vermont Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 941	Originally posted by mee That isn't my argument, not specifically with the 85 1.4 that you so desperately want but in general, that is Sigma corporate's. This was Sigma's stance prior to the K-1. Has there been any response from Sigma after the release of the K-1? I guess we'll see in September at Photokina if the 85 1.4 Art will be released in K mount. Hopefully, someone releases an 85 1.4 or even a 1.2 very soon. I'd love to see Pentax, but who knows if and when. I'd really like to see Pentax offer a fully compatible modern portrait prime, hopefully very very soon. Last edited by dcpropilot; 08-14-2016 at 08:59 PM.

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08-14-2016, 01:41 AM	#61
zestoi Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: British ExPat in Bucharest Posts: 86	Originally posted by serothis I had this same dilemma back in may. I asked my self these two questions 1) What would I want to see updated on the current sigma 85mm? My answer was, not much. The 85 mm is already a very good lens. Maybe WR but sigma doesn't do that. Sigma traditionally removes the OS feature from k-mount varients. 2) If/When sigma comes out with an "Art" version of the 85mm, will they offer it in the K-mount? Given Sigma's recent rhetoric...it's very possisble they won't. With that in mind, I decided to buy the current one. true not much. I think I maybe picked up a FA* 85 too easily and afraid to damage it. plus the sigma seems super sharp which really like since I don't deliver any photos which haven't been edited by my editors anyway. think I might have to just pick up the sigma next week too ---------- Post added 08-14-16 at 01:43 AM ---------- Originally posted by Reed If we indeed get that new tamron SP lenses, it would be great to get also that tamron dock for them Friend got it with tamron 85 few weeks ago, works way better than sigma usb dock. new tamron SP lenses? right now my favourite lens is the old tamron 70-200, damn it's so sharp, and used to love theyre old adaptall lenses.

08-14-2016, 07:53 AM	#63
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by totsmuyco I hope you're right. It would be great to see Tamron manufacturing lenses in the k-mount. How I wish they'ed give us their 150-600 and their 16-300. Since they are already making the D-FA 15-30mm F/2.8 and the D-FA 24-70 F/2.8 it only seem logical. With Ricoh moving to the new KAF4 mount and eliminating the mechanical linkage for aperture control, it makes it much more economical for 3rd parties to manufacture glass for K-mount. We will probably see a Sigma ART 50mm F/1.4 by the end of they year and the current 35mm ART will be changed to the KAF4 mount. Tamron can make very good glass. The Sony/Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a Tamron design. Sony is the largest share holder in Tamron and Tamron designs a good bit of glass for the for Sony and the Sony/Zeiss line. The Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a very special lens and the main reason I still shoot with my Sony A7II.

08-14-2016, 09:35 AM	#64
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	What if... at this Photokina's PF Sigma interview, when asked about Pentax, they will say "we have no plans to expand the K-mount lens line, because it's difficult to reverse engineer the KAF4 electronic aperture control protocol"? One excuse replaced by another

08-14-2016, 10:29 AM	#65
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	This argument was a bad reason, spoken to avoid the good one : not enough sales potential in K mount. And i'm affraid that K-1's even rather clear success doesn't change that situation.

08-14-2016, 01:19 PM	#66
Edgar_in_Indy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,685	Originally posted by totsmuyco I hope you're right. It would be great to see Tamron manufacturing lenses in the k-mount. How I wish they'ed give us their 150-600 and their 16-300. Tamron's 70-300mm f/4-5.6 Di VC USD SP AF is a lens I would love to see come to K-mount. It's a very good performer that doesn't break the bank, and is also FF compatible. Kind of a bridge lens between budget 300mm zooms and high-end high-speed zooms.

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dcpropilot Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Vermont Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 941	Originally posted by Zygonyx This argument was a bad reason, spoken to avoid the good one : not enough sales potential in K mount. And i'm affraid that K-1's even rather clear success doesn't change that situation. Hogwash. The current used price of FA*85 1.4 is a clear indication of the need for an AF 85 1.4 with excellent optical quality. Given that Pentax doesn't yet offer it is a clear opportunity for Sigma.

08-14-2016, 03:46 PM	#68
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by dcpropilot Hogwash. The current used price of FA*85 1.4 is a clear indication of the need for an AF 85 1.4 with excellent optical quality. Given that Pentax doesn't yet offer it is a clear opportunity for Sigma. It is not 'hogwash.' Sigma is a business about profit. There appears to be more profit in continuing to produce their lenses in F and EF/EF-S than retooling to include K. They've even stated as such.. there currently isn't enough demand to warrant their effort to support K mount any more than they currently are. Hopefully they'll reconsider sooner than later.. but I wouldn't hold my breath. Just because there is a hole in the lineup doesn't mean Sigma will make more profits filling it than continuing as they are with other highly desired mounts. Otherwise they could lauch F/4 zooms, 150-600mm Sport and/or Contemporary, and several of the Art series primes since Pentax doesn't have any similar lenses in their lineup. That said, since they already had a K mount 85/1.4 I could see it coming back as an Art.. but, again, I wouldn't hold my breath.

08-14-2016, 04:05 PM	#69
dcpropilot Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Vermont Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 941	Well, if that's the argument, why would anyone even offer a 85 1.4, including Pentax? I don't think by adding Pentax K is an opportunity lost by adding it to the supported mounts especially since the launch of the K-1. It's in everyone best interest to offer the 85 1.4, and if sigma doesn't do it first with the art version of this lens they would have missed an opportunity. I'd be surprised if they aren't fully aware of this and ready to announce the 85 1.4 art in Pentax K.

08-14-2016, 04:36 PM	#70
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by dcpropilot Well, if that's the argument, why would anyone even offer a 85 1.4, including Pentax? I don't think by adding Pentax K is an opportunity lost by adding it to the supported mounts especially since the launch of the K-1. It's in everyone best interest to offer the 85 1.4, and if sigma doesn't do it first with the art version of this lens they would have missed an opportunity. I'd be surprised if they aren't fully aware of this and ready to announce the 85 1.4 art in Pentax K. That isn't my argument, not specifically with the 85 1.4 that you so desperately want but in general, that is Sigma corporate's.

08-15-2016, 01:34 AM	#72
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Winder Tamron can make very good glass. The Sony/Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a Tamron design. Sony is the largest share holder in Tamron and Tamron designs a good bit of glass for the for Sony and the Sony/Zeiss line. The Zeiss 55mm F/1.8 is a very special lens and the main reason I still shoot with my Sony A7II. I thought the main Sony lines were Tamrons and the 'Zeiss' ones were made by Cosina.

08-15-2016, 06:20 AM	#73
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	No, the Zeiss-labelled Sony lenses aren't designed nor manufactured by Cosina.

08-15-2016, 08:21 AM	#74
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	ZK, ZF etc are I think, made by Cosina. So are Voigtlanders BTW.

08-15-2016, 12:40 PM - 1 Like	#75
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by clackers I thought the main Sony lines were Tamrons and the 'Zeiss' ones were made by Cosina. Tamron make the Sony and Sony-Zeiss lenses. Cosina makes the Loxia and Batis Zeiss makes the Otis, Milvus and Cine glass. The Sony/Zeiss FE 55mm is part of the same design program that produced the 35mm, 45mm, & 85mm F/1.8 Tamron SP lenses.