Detailed specs of Pentax K-70

**monochrome** · 07-13-2016, 10:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

They did it so they could stuff in WiFi and GPS and still keep it compact.

That response doesn't fit the 'corporations are evil and exist only to serve their shareholders' meme.

D1N0 · 07-13-2016, 11:05 AM - **1 Like**

I didn't get the memo

normhead · 07-13-2016, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

That response doesn't fit the 'corporations are evil and exist only to serve their shareholders' meme.

Smart corporations do that by keeping their customers happy. Happier customers means more customers and more profits. At least that's the way it's supposed to work.

CarlJF · 07-13-2016, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

They did it so they could stuff in WiFi and GPS and still keep it compact.

Maybe for the K3-ii and K-1, but not for the K-70 which have a on board flash anyway. For the K-70, it's just an issue have adding some code to the software. A code they don't even need to develop since they have used it for years in many cameras...

D1N0 · 07-13-2016, 12:28 PM

It wasn't in the ks-2 either nor the ks-1. The K-3 was the last one to have it.

**monochrome** · 07-13-2016, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by normhead

Smart corporations do that by keeping their customers happy. Happier customers means more customers and more profits. At least that's the way it's supposed to work.

Certainly true if they want to thrive, but that's a far cry from 'corporations exist to serve customers'. Corporations are entitled to choose what they do. They are not obligated to meet every demand of every person with a keyboard.

We I think all agree that Ricoh Imaging Americas has not met the standard of good customer service (maybe not good anything). I hope some Posters can distinguish that from Pentax products generally. NA is a real problem. K-1 faults aren't (yet).

thibs · 07-14-2016, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by CarlJF

Maybe for the K3-ii and K-1, but not for the K-70 which have a on board flash anyway. For the K-70, it's just an issue have adding some code to the software. A code they don't even need to develop since they have used it for years in many cameras...

Yeah, software is free, everyone knows that. Screw them.

CarlJF · 07-14-2016, 05:58 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by thibs

Yeah, software is free, everyone knows that. Screw them.

If you read what I was answering to, I was not implying that software is free but rather that it has nothing to do with the physical size of the body or "lacking space" to add the feature... And since the piece of software needed to control flash already exists in other bodies, R&D cost to integrate this well known code in the K-70 should be minimal. It's not like developing an whole new code from scratch, it's just porting old code into the K-70.

D1N0 · 07-14-2016, 06:01 AM

The K-70 is based on the same basis as the K-s1 and K-s2. We don't know why wireless flash control was omitted. Maybe Adam can ask Ricoh on Photokina.

richandfleur · 07-14-2016, 08:18 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

We don't know why wireless flash control was omitted. Maybe Adam can ask Ricoh on Photokina.

And reaffirm that 'too much noise' no longer cuts it as a valid reason why mechanical sensor stabilisation shouldn't be re-enabled in video mode.

A menu mode option, with a warning of potential audible noise, should at least be offered.

D1N0 · 07-14-2016, 08:31 AM

Has anybody ever tried to decompile Pentax firmware? Maybe changes like sr in video and flash controll can easily be added

Simen1 · 07-14-2016, 10:09 AM

If anybody did, they probably would not talk to laud about it on the net. It would probably break the software/camera license and provoke Pentax for a lawsuit.

Ideally, for users not camera companies, firmware and software should be open source so anybody could improve and spread the improvement (with a quality assuring mechanism), but obviously Pentax wants us to buy new cameras in stead. And they would not want other camera brand users to copy code to use on their cameras.

D1N0 · 07-14-2016, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Simen1

If anybody did, they probably would not talk to laud about it on the net. It would probably break the software/camera license and provoke Pentax for a lawsuit.

Ideally, for users not camera companies, firmware and software should be open source so anybody could improve and spread the improvement (with a quality assuring mechanism), but obviously Pentax wants us to buy new cameras in stead. And they would not want other camera brand users to copy code to use on their cameras.

I already found a thread on this very forum

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/250555-resurrect...e-hacking.html

anu l · 07-14-2016, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I already found a thread on this very forum

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/250555-resurrect...e-hacking.html

I am following it closely, Cant wait for composition adjustment & wireless flash commander to be enabled on all cameras which dont have it, & a few other things like SR, AF-C in video etc.

And those goodies which CHDK gives to Canon cameras.

thibs · 07-14-2016, 02:15 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by CarlJF

If you read what I was answering to, I was not implying that software is free but rather that it has nothing to do with the physical size of the body or "lacking space" to add the feature... And since the piece of software needed to control flash already exists in other bodies, R&D cost to integrate this well known code in the K-70 should be minimal. It's not like developing an whole new code from scratch, it's just porting old code into the K-70.

The problem is the 'just'. I guess only guys into programming can understand what I mean.

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07-13-2016, 10:30 AM - 1 Like	#406
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by D1N0 They did it so they could stuff in WiFi and GPS and still keep it compact. That response doesn't fit the 'corporations are evil and exist only to serve their shareholders' meme.

07-13-2016, 11:05 AM - 1 Like	#407
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I didn't get the memo

07-13-2016, 11:51 AM	#408
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by monochrome That response doesn't fit the 'corporations are evil and exist only to serve their shareholders' meme. Smart corporations do that by keeping their customers happy. Happier customers means more customers and more profits. At least that's the way it's supposed to work.

07-13-2016, 11:58 AM	#409
CarlJF Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,185	Originally posted by D1N0 They did it so they could stuff in WiFi and GPS and still keep it compact. Maybe for the K3-ii and K-1, but not for the K-70 which have a on board flash anyway. For the K-70, it's just an issue have adding some code to the software. A code they don't even need to develop since they have used it for years in many cameras...

07-13-2016, 12:56 PM	#411
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by normhead Smart corporations do that by keeping their customers happy. Happier customers means more customers and more profits. At least that's the way it's supposed to work. Certainly true if they want to thrive, but that's a far cry from 'corporations exist to serve customers'. Corporations are entitled to choose what they do. They are not obligated to meet every demand of every person with a keyboard. We I think all agree that Ricoh Imaging Americas has not met the standard of good customer service (maybe not good anything). I hope some Posters can distinguish that from Pentax products generally. NA is a real problem. K-1 faults aren't (yet).

07-14-2016, 01:44 AM	#412
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by CarlJF Maybe for the K3-ii and K-1, but not for the K-70 which have a on board flash anyway. For the K-70, it's just an issue have adding some code to the software. A code they don't even need to develop since they have used it for years in many cameras... Yeah, software is free, everyone knows that. Screw them.

07-14-2016, 05:58 AM - 1 Like	#413
CarlJF Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,185	Originally posted by thibs Yeah, software is free, everyone knows that. Screw them. If you read what I was answering to, I was not implying that software is free but rather that it has nothing to do with the physical size of the body or "lacking space" to add the feature... And since the piece of software needed to control flash already exists in other bodies, R&D cost to integrate this well known code in the K-70 should be minimal. It's not like developing an whole new code from scratch, it's just porting old code into the K-70.

07-14-2016, 06:01 AM	#414
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	The K-70 is based on the same basis as the K-s1 and K-s2. We don't know why wireless flash control was omitted. Maybe Adam can ask Ricoh on Photokina.

07-14-2016, 08:18 AM - 1 Like	#415
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by D1N0 We don't know why wireless flash control was omitted. Maybe Adam can ask Ricoh on Photokina. And reaffirm that 'too much noise' no longer cuts it as a valid reason why mechanical sensor stabilisation shouldn't be re-enabled in video mode. A menu mode option, with a warning of potential audible noise, should at least be offered.

07-14-2016, 08:31 AM	#416
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Has anybody ever tried to decompile Pentax firmware? Maybe changes like sr in video and flash controll can easily be added

07-14-2016, 10:09 AM	#417
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	If anybody did, they probably would not talk to laud about it on the net. It would probably break the software/camera license and provoke Pentax for a lawsuit. Ideally, for users not camera companies, firmware and software should be open source so anybody could improve and spread the improvement (with a quality assuring mechanism), but obviously Pentax wants us to buy new cameras in stead. And they would not want other camera brand users to copy code to use on their cameras.

07-14-2016, 10:12 AM	#418
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by Simen1 If anybody did, they probably would not talk to laud about it on the net. It would probably break the software/camera license and provoke Pentax for a lawsuit. Ideally, for users not camera companies, firmware and software should be open source so anybody could improve and spread the improvement (with a quality assuring mechanism), but obviously Pentax wants us to buy new cameras in stead. And they would not want other camera brand users to copy code to use on their cameras. I already found a thread on this very forum https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/250555-resurrect...e-hacking.html

07-14-2016, 11:57 AM	#419
anu l Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 216	Originally posted by D1N0 I already found a thread on this very forum https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/250555-resurrect...e-hacking.html I am following it closely, Cant wait for composition adjustment & wireless flash commander to be enabled on all cameras which dont have it, & a few other things like SR, AF-C in video etc. And those goodies which CHDK gives to Canon cameras.

07-14-2016, 02:15 PM - 1 Like	#420
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by CarlJF If you read what I was answering to, I was not implying that software is free but rather that it has nothing to do with the physical size of the body or "lacking space" to add the feature... And since the piece of software needed to control flash already exists in other bodies, R&D cost to integrate this well known code in the K-70 should be minimal. It's not like developing an whole new code from scratch, it's just porting old code into the K-70. The problem is the 'just'. I guess only guys into programming can understand what I mean.