New Pentax K-70

Nicolas06 · 09-08-2016, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by reh321

And if they had a track record of teasers or leaks two weeks before a big show, then people would know by now what they will know in twelve days. I would know no K-02 this year, so I would go ahead and buy the K-70, because what they release a year from now is essentially meaningless. Normhead would guess that a K-4 using technology prototyped with the K-70 and K-1 will most likely come at CP+ time, and he would make his buy/wait decision based on that.

Oh, and "people will complain" will be true regardless of which decisions they announced when.

You really complain for 2 weeks? really ?

dr100hr · 11-03-2016, 12:49 AM

so how i understand from this loong conversation k-70 is k-s2 in different body only

all same by spec ,a bit here and there but overall same cam inside
right ?

---------- Post added 11-03-2016 at 08:50 AM ----------

i guess wait for k4 non ff starts ....crap and i hope that k5ii replace in low $ area ..

surfar · 11-03-2016, 01:01 AM

Better read those specs again,K70 ...for the $100 more(over the ks2) its worth it...imo

totsmuyco · 11-03-2016, 02:11 AM

Nope the K-70 is a much better camera. I agree with surfar, read the specs again. Plus, read the review.

surfar · 11-03-2016, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

read the review

Yes, the staff review should convince anyone considering the KS2 and K70 to invest in the higher specd.For what the K70 is capable of its a bargain.

dr100hr · 11-03-2016, 09:41 AM

well i only see pixel shifting ,and 0.5 mpix different rest all same or just there

jgnfld · 11-03-2016, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by dr100hr

well i only see pixel shifting ,and 0.5 mpix different rest all same or just there

Improved high ISO performance likely due to addition of additional processing chip. Higher max ISO. Higher fps rate. 4 mpix--19%--more pixels (24mp vs 20mp).

reh321 · 11-03-2016, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by dr100hr

so how i understand from this loong conversation k-70 is k-s2 in different body only

all same by spec ,a bit here and there but overall same cam inside
right ?

Wrong!!

The reviews thus far indicate that improved ISO is for real.

I'm guessing that 10% of the pictures I take with my K-30 would be significantly better if I had a K-70.

D1N0 · 11-03-2016, 11:38 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by dr100hr

well i only see pixel shifting ,and 0.5 mpix different rest all same or just there

Instead of spreading nonsense, maybe you should bother to read the review or the one made by imaging resource

This camera has the best IQ of any Pentax aps-c Camera, and arguably the best IQ of any aps-c camera.

Nicolas06 · 11-03-2016, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Wrong!!

The reviews thus far indicate that improved ISO is for real.

I'm guessing that 10% of the pictures I take with my K-30 would be significantly better if I had a K-70.

And maybe 50% with K3... For all you know, you'd need to test it first

Nicolas06 · 11-03-2016, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by jgnfld

Improved high ISO performance likely due to addition of additional processing chip. Higher max ISO. Higher fps rate. 4 mpix--19%--more pixels (24mp vs 20mp).

I don't consider 6 FPS vs 5.2 or 24MP to be significant difference. I think if one doesn't check the numbers, and use both camera in a blind test for normal use, one will never see the difference. Remember that in photography we speek in EV: double the shutter speed, or light gathering through 1 apperture stop and so on.

The high iso may make a visible difference at time, But only if you don't sacrify on lens to get that. If getting even a mere K50 allow you to get an f/2.8 zoom instead, you get much better results with that.

jgnfld · 11-03-2016, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

I don't consider

Not everyone agrees. Certainly I am noticing the K-70 is a distinct upgrade over my K-50 for outdoor hiking and for sailing. The extra megapixels help when cropping on-the-go outdoor shots. And, since I live pretty far north in a normally foggy, gloomy climate (Newfoundland) the extra ISO especially under the forest canopy where it is quite dark even on sunny days.

Nicolas06 · 11-03-2016, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by jgnfld

Not everyone agrees. Certainly I am noticing the K-70 is a distinct upgrade over my K-50 for outdoor hiking and for sailing. The extra megapixels help when cropping on-the-go outdoor shots. And, since I live pretty far north in a normally foggy, gloomy climate (Newfoundland) the extra ISO especially under the forest canopy where it is quite dark even on sunny days.

K50 has more difference: low pass filter, 12bits. The biggest change apparently is more the low pass filter than between 16 and 24MP. That's what Dxo is finding anyway. But I certainly found some difference when cropping between K5 and K3.

There also the articulated screen.

But still if you get a K50 with a 17-50 f/2.8 you'll get better rendering overall and much better low light performance than getting a K70 wiht a 18-55.

jgnfld · 11-03-2016, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

K50 has more difference: low pass filter, 12bits. The biggest change apparently is more the low pass filter than between 16 and 24MP. That's what Dxo is finding anyway. But I certainly found some difference when cropping between K5 and K3.

There also the articulated screen.

But still if you get a K50 with a 17-50 f/2.8 you'll get more sharpness, better rendering overall and much better low light performance than getting a K70 wiht a 18-55. Price is about the same there.

My experience with the Sigma 17-50 f2.8--my normal go-to lens--on the two cameras differs from your description. Possibly it's just my copies of each piece of equipment.

Nicolas06 · 11-03-2016, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by jgnfld

My experience with the Sigma 17-50 f2.8--my normal go-to lens--on the two cameras differs from your description. Possibly it's just my copies of each piece of equipment.

So your K70 with 18-55mm f/5.6 get you better low light and better rendering, better sharpness than you sigma 17-50 f/2.8 at f/2.8 or f/4 on K50 as I get it.

11-03-2016, 01:45 PM	#388
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by jgnfld Not everyone agrees. Certainly I am noticing the K-70 is a distinct upgrade over my K-50 for outdoor hiking and for sailing. The extra megapixels help when cropping on-the-go outdoor shots. And, since I live pretty far north in a normally foggy, gloomy climate (Newfoundland) the extra ISO especially under the forest canopy where it is quite dark even on sunny days. K50 has more difference: low pass filter, 12bits. The biggest change apparently is more the low pass filter than between 16 and 24MP. That's what Dxo is finding anyway. But I certainly found some difference when cropping between K5 and K3. There also the articulated screen. But still if you get a K50 with a 17-50 f/2.8 you'll get better rendering overall and much better low light performance than getting a K70 wiht a 18-55. Last edited by Nicolas06; 11-03-2016 at 01:53 PM.

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09-08-2016, 11:12 PM	#376
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by reh321 And if they had a track record of teasers or leaks two weeks before a big show, then people would know by now what they will know in twelve days. I would know no K-02 this year, so I would go ahead and buy the K-70, because what they release a year from now is essentially meaningless. Normhead would guess that a K-4 using technology prototyped with the K-70 and K-1 will most likely come at CP+ time, and he would make his buy/wait decision based on that. Oh, and "people will complain" will be true regardless of which decisions they announced when. You really complain for 2 weeks? really ?

11-03-2016, 12:49 AM	#377
dr100hr New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: croatia Posts: 13	so how i understand from this loong conversation k-70 is k-s2 in different body only all same by spec ,a bit here and there but overall same cam inside right ? ---------- Post added 11-03-2016 at 08:50 AM ---------- i guess wait for k4 non ff starts ....crap and i hope that k5ii replace in low $ area ..

11-03-2016, 01:01 AM	#378
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,138	Better read those specs again,K70 ...for the $100 more(over the ks2) its worth it...imo

11-03-2016, 02:11 AM	#379
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Nope the K-70 is a much better camera. I agree with surfar, read the specs again. Plus, read the review.

11-03-2016, 02:26 AM	#380
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,138	Originally posted by totsmuyco read the review Yes, the staff review should convince anyone considering the KS2 and K70 to invest in the higher specd.For what the K70 is capable of its a bargain.

11-03-2016, 09:41 AM	#381
dr100hr New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: croatia Posts: 13	well i only see pixel shifting ,and 0.5 mpix different rest all same or just there

11-03-2016, 09:51 AM	#382
jgnfld Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by dr100hr well i only see pixel shifting ,and 0.5 mpix different rest all same or just there Improved high ISO performance likely due to addition of additional processing chip. Higher max ISO. Higher fps rate. 4 mpix--19%--more pixels (24mp vs 20mp).

11-03-2016, 11:20 AM	#383
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by dr100hr so how i understand from this loong conversation k-70 is k-s2 in different body only all same by spec ,a bit here and there but overall same cam inside right ? Wrong!! The reviews thus far indicate that improved ISO is for real. I'm guessing that 10% of the pictures I take with my K-30 would be significantly better if I had a K-70.

11-03-2016, 11:38 AM - 2 Likes	#384
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by dr100hr well i only see pixel shifting ,and 0.5 mpix different rest all same or just there Instead of spreading nonsense, maybe you should bother to read the review or the one made by imaging resource This camera has the best IQ of any Pentax aps-c Camera, and arguably the best IQ of any aps-c camera.

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Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by reh321 Wrong!! The reviews thus far indicate that improved ISO is for real. I'm guessing that 10% of the pictures I take with my K-30 would be significantly better if I had a K-70. And maybe 50% with K3... For all you know, you'd need to test it first

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11-03-2016, 12:58 PM	#386
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by jgnfld Improved high ISO performance likely due to addition of additional processing chip. Higher max ISO. Higher fps rate. 4 mpix--19%--more pixels (24mp vs 20mp). I don't consider 6 FPS vs 5.2 or 24MP to be significant difference. I think if one doesn't check the numbers, and use both camera in a blind test for normal use, one will never see the difference. Remember that in photography we speek in EV: double the shutter speed, or light gathering through 1 apperture stop and so on. The high iso may make a visible difference at time, But only if you don't sacrify on lens to get that. If getting even a mere K50 allow you to get an f/2.8 zoom instead, you get much better results with that.

11-03-2016, 01:15 PM	#387
jgnfld Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by Nicolas06 I don't consider Not everyone agrees. Certainly I am noticing the K-70 is a distinct upgrade over my K-50 for outdoor hiking and for sailing. The extra megapixels help when cropping on-the-go outdoor shots. And, since I live pretty far north in a normally foggy, gloomy climate (Newfoundland) the extra ISO especially under the forest canopy where it is quite dark even on sunny days.

11-03-2016, 01:51 PM	#389
jgnfld Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by Nicolas06 K50 has more difference: low pass filter, 12bits. The biggest change apparently is more the low pass filter than between 16 and 24MP. That's what Dxo is finding anyway. But I certainly found some difference when cropping between K5 and K3. There also the articulated screen. But still if you get a K50 with a 17-50 f/2.8 you'll get more sharpness, better rendering overall and much better low light performance than getting a K70 wiht a 18-55. Price is about the same there. My experience with the Sigma 17-50 f2.8--my normal go-to lens--on the two cameras differs from your description. Possibly it's just my copies of each piece of equipment.

11-03-2016, 01:55 PM	#390
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by jgnfld My experience with the Sigma 17-50 f2.8--my normal go-to lens--on the two cameras differs from your description. Possibly it's just my copies of each piece of equipment. So your K70 with 18-55mm f/5.6 get you better low light and better rendering, better sharpness than you sigma 17-50 f/2.8 at f/2.8 or f/4 on K50 as I get it.