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10-02-2016, 02:34 PM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by UncleVanya Quote
Link gave me a system error from the forum.
Strange - the link work works on all of my devices. I started the thread "Cactus V6 & Pentax AF201FG - they work together!" under the section "PentaxForums.com → Photography → Flashes, Lighting, and Studio. Maybe you can get there "manually"?!

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I will try on another device later. Not working on an iPhone 6s with Safari on iOS 9.3.5
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QuoteOriginally posted by Schraubstock Quote
Well, you never can have everything in life.
The AAA batteries are a compromise in favour of size.
I own the Metz 26AF-2 because the K-1 is sans on-board flash I figured a small flash would be handy and I do not want to schlepp around my big Metz 64 AF-1 all the time. Before you get too hung up about AAA batteries consider the fact that this little flash is very light and fits easily in a shirt pocket. But the best part is, it is a very capable little unit and a million times more useful than any on-board flash of cameras of any make.

It can be tilted up and down, is strong enough as a bounce flash, it has three lenses, the normal inbuilt lens for everyday use, an inbuilt spring loaded wide angle reflector when not in use slides back into the housing and a clip-on telelens reflector good for at least 85mm. And let me tell you it works like a charm on the K-1 - right out of the box. So don't let the AAAs put you off.

Number of flashes:
approx. 100 with high-capacity alkaline-manganese batteries
approx. 110 with NiMH rechargeable batteries
approx. 160 with lithium batteries
The recycle time is approx. 3seconds. (Not bad)

And it works with these:
• 2 nickel-metal-hydride batteries 1.2V, (size AAA).
• 2 alkaline-manganese dry cell batteries 1.5V, (size AAA).
• 2 lithium batteries 1.5V, (size AAA)

If you have the K-1, go and get one - you won't regret it.

http://www.metz-mecatech.de/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=fileadmin/...0cc3d4ecf75b10

Page 82 for English

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Got my Metz 26AF-2 today, and as someone who mainly uses flash for fill, it is everything I hoped for and a lot more. I am trying to create a lightweight and diminutive kit for my K-1, and this flash fits that concept perfectly. It is so compact it can almost stay on the camera unnoticed, but it's capable too with the ability for angled shots and a pretty quick recharge. Personally I love it that it only requires two AAA batteries. What a beauty for $135.

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QuoteOriginally posted by les3547 Quote
Got my Metz 26AF-2 today, and as someone who mainly uses flash for fill, it is everything I hoped for and a lot more. I am trying to create a lightweight and diminutive kit for my K-1, and this flash fits that concept perfectly. It is so compact it can almost stay on the camera unnoticed, but it's capable too with the ability for angled shots and a pretty quick recharge. Personally I love it that it only requires two AA batteries. What a beauty for $135. This is the Metz 26 profile in the "tucked" position:

Nice!

I decided to go the other route Pentax AF201FG - works with 2 AAA batteries. This flash is also very compact but doesn't support wireless PTTL (Slave) and LED. Instead it's WR and besides PTTL (and as proven by using V6 learning mode analog TTL) supports a simple manual mode. That was the entrance card to get it work with my Cactus V6 setup applying learning mode. Nice unit direct on camera and with the wireless radio triggered V6 setup. I'm also really happy.

I wrote down some words about the AF201FG at the bottom of this post - if you are interested.

So I think there are two nice compact solutions especially for Pentax K-3 II and K1 owners.

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Ok, so bringing this thread back to life since Amazon is currently having a sale on the M400, and some folks have now had the opportunity to buy and use one by now. How suitable is the M400 for the K-1 and what are its good and bad features?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Bob 256 Quote
Ok, so bringing this thread back to life since Amazon is currently having a sale on the M400, and some folks have now had the opportunity to buy and use one by now. How suitable is the M400 for the K1 and what are its good and bad features?
Did you get and PMs about this?


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No, actually I came across a great buy on a Pentax AF540FGZ II and got that instead.

It offered better power than the Metz and had similar features of my old AF500FTZ which I had been real happy with. It was a bit more pricey than the Metz but I couldn't turn down a deal with about $100US off the going price.

A bit on the heavy side but I think it will fill in for applications with my K-1 that need additional power and features like multiple strobing, HSS, etc. while most of the time I will continue with my AF201 for utility use with the K-1.

Didn't hear anything back on the Metz, however, which might be an indicator of its popularity (or not).

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Thanks Bob! I appreciate the feedback. Congrats on the deal!!!

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QuoteOriginally posted by WPRESTO Quote
Another interesting flash is the Metz 26 AF 2. The original 26 was for APS-C only, the "2" will work on a K1. It's a tiny unit that works on two triple-A batteries, TTL and wireless capable. It could be a reasonable substitute for the missing pop-up flash on a K1, but it isn't clear if it can operate as a Master or Controller, so I suspect it cannot, which is a pity as it would be perfect as a controller.
The Metz 26 AF1 also works on K1, same as Metz 26 AF2.
The only difference between them is AF1 is made in China and AF2 in Germany.
But! They dont work with manual K or M lenses!
They only work with A, F, FA, DA and DFA Lenses.

And the Metz 58 AF1 and 58 AF2 does not work as Master on K-1 in FF Mode! (only in APS-C Mode)
Metz told me they have no resources to make a firmware Update. ... seems Metz is doomed since they were sold to an other company.

Hope they will realize that this is damned shit!
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QuoteOriginally posted by pid Quote
The Metz 26 AF1 also works on K1, same as Metz 26 AF2.
The only difference between them is AF1 is made in China and AF2 in Germany.
But! They dont work with manual K or M lenses!
They only work with A, F, FA, DA and DFA Lenses.

And the Metz 58 AF1 and 58 AF2 does not work as Master on K-1 in FF Mode! (only in APS-C Mode)
Metz told me they have no resources to make a firmware Update. ... seems Metz is doomed since they were sold to an other company.

Hope they will realize that this is damned shit!

My experiments with a Metz 26 AF1, purchased for use on my K3, would not work on my K1 when it was in FF mode, but would work when the K1 was in crop (APS-C) mode.
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One thing that did sadden me when I went with the Pentax AF540FGZ was that it didn't have a USB port for upgrading. In retrospect, I have never seen a need to upgrade my AF500FTZ until now, and since it was produced well before upgradeable software, it's a moot point for the older flash anyway. About time I bought a new flash that was really compatible with my K-1 and the older flash is still fully functional otherwise.

It might be nice to have firmware upgrade capability in the new flash but I think I can live without it and from the experience described with Metz, it seems it wouldn't be beneficial anyway (at least in the case of Metz products). I've seen a number of products where the manufacture either doesn't make use of the feature or provides a few "upgrades" and then discontinues them in relative short term. Alternately, new requirements come along which can't be addressed with software (only hardware) changes. Hearing that Metz doesn't have resources to provide firmware upgrades is good consolation for me now that I went with the Pentax flash.
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We have to be quite many now that have K3II or K1 and are looking for a compact flash for fill in and more to have in the photo bag.
I would like to see a comparison test on Metz 26 II and Pentax 201, maybe also the new Metz M400 / 64 and Pentax 360 or 540.
Traditionally, the guide nummer is set at 35mm / FF, but now the power of the flash longest zoom is often used, so itīs difficult to comparing the flashes.
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If it's any help, the guide number for the AF201FG is14/20 (no zoom involved) with and without the flash diffusing panel. The guide at 34mm (APS-C or 50mm FF) for the AF560FGZ is 45 (all at 100 ISO). I can't address the Metz units.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Bophoto Quote
Traditionally, the guide nummer is set at 35mm / FF, but now the power of the flash longest zoom is often used, so itīs difficult to comparing the flashes.
Not quite. It used to be 50mm.
That is why the old Metz 36 CT-2 was called what it was. It has GN 36 m at 50mm, even though its reflector can be set between 28 and 100mm.
Only later the marketing came in and so the Metz 50 AF-1 has exactly the same power (GN 36 at 50mm).
The Metz M400 only has GN 29 at 50mm and so is a little weaker than the Pentax AF360.
The Metz 64 AF-1 in spite of its name is with GN 43 still weaker than the Pentax AF540FGZ I with GN 45.
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When full frame film cameras were the norm, a 50mm lens (thereabouts) was considered the "normal" lens and there weren't that many "zoom" flashes. When zoom flashes became available, marketing found an advantage in quoting their guide numbers for the highest zoom where the light is more concentrated (but won't cover the field of a 50mm lens). In order to get a more appropriate GN for one of these flashes, one needed to find the GN that applied at 50mm.

Then came APS-C sensors. For these, the field of a 34mm lens was approximately the same as a 50mm lens for full-field (film or FF sensors). With that, flash manufactures started listing guide numbers for APS-C sensors, FF, and even larger formats, really confusing the issue. I just acquired a Pentax AF540FGZ and full-frame guide numbers aren't listed at all in the users guide which disappoints me because I own a Pentax K-1 which is full-frame (you would think Pentax would list FF values??).

Bottom line, to compare apples-to-apples, (for zoom flashes) use the GN for 34(35)mm if the listing is for an APS-C format, and use the GN for 50mm if the listing is for a full-frame format. Those GNs will be in the same league as ones listed for non-zoom flashes so comparisons can be made across the board. The same can be said for any other "qualified" GN listings for other formats (e.g., 645, Q, etc.) - use the 50mm full-frame equivalent (if it's listed).

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