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09-21-2016, 04:02 AM   #106
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QuoteOriginally posted by PenPusher Quote
I have no idea what the company size difference between Ricoh/Pentax and Fuji is but I have been impressed by the speed at which Fuji can design and bring products to market, whether they are actually the products the market wants is another matter..

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Fujifilm take advantage of their Instax line, which is a formidable cash cow. It helps financing many projects in parallel .

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That's what I expected, nothing new. K-1 and K-70 have recently been announced. The new 55-300 was also announced with the K-70. So practically, I think everything is out except for the Theta.
Lenses could have been expected. Ricoh put some FF primes on the roadmap months ago to go with the K-1, a bit more info on these would certainly not hurt K-1 sales.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Fujifilm take advantage of their Instax line, which is a formidable cash cow. It helps financing many projects in parallel .
Similarly, Ricoh has a line of Pizza Restaurants, that help finance Pentax projects.
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You'd think that if they're going to ship any lenses in Q1 2017, they at least would have prototypes they could show under glass by now (even with exact focal length and aperture details masked out if they must)...

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It is still a recession in Japan, China is very slow, commodity-based Emerging Markets are suffering from price collapses, Europe is stagnant and USA is great if you are rich and working but flat for middle class consumers.

What rational company would load the boat with new offerings under those circumstances?
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
It is still a recession in Japan, China is very slow, commodity-based Emerging Markets are suffering from price collapses, Europe is stagnant and USA is great if you are rich and working but flat for middle class consumers.

What rational company would load the boat with new offerings under those circumstances?
Japan has been in a practical recession for over two decades now, Europe as a whole has struggled economically since 2007, and manufacturers still pump out new products. If camera manufacturers really were that sensitive to global economic trends we would have seen little in product development in the past decade, but somehow Sigma still continues to pump out 'Art' lenses, Nikon still brought out three new camera bodies this year (so far), Canon still released the 5D Mk IV and Pentax finally released a full frame camera.

I'd be very surprised if product announcements at this Photokina had much to do with global economic trends.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
It is still a recession in Japan, China is very slow, commodity-based Emerging Markets are suffering from price collapses, Europe is stagnant and USA is great if you are rich and working but flat for middle class consumers.

What rational company would load the boat with new offerings under those circumstances?
The boat needs to stay loaded or hungry retailers will soon start selling the next guy's produce instead of yours. The key is to stick to what you know you can sell and lay off the risky stuff, I would guess. That said, there is always a market for those with flair and a sensible business plan, so one or two of the new products announced at Photokina by A.N. Other will doubtless do very well even if some prove to have been a little over-optimistic. New products or new outfits can get a clearer run during rough economic times because the main players have all pulled in their horns and are not out there seeing off newcomers. Next thing the main players know, if they aren't careful, the newcomers have knocked them for six.

These trade fairs are strange beasts, and very very expensive for a company. Their benefits must be extremely hard to quantify. It would be completely understandable if some of the big beasts in the camera world simply decided to give most of them a miss altogether.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Fujifilm take advantage of their Instax line, which is a formidable cash cow. It helps financing many projects in parallel .
And they are coming out with a new format, square image Instax camera and film.

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To me, K-1 and K-70 qualify as new products. Theta Delta is a new product in a new category that RICOH dominates. 645z is still selling, though the buzz is with Fuji apparently.

Yet all I read about here is what Ricoh isn't showing at Photokina. Goodness, in some cases K-1 is still back ordered, and people are complaining we don't have new stuff to dream about.

It isn't the 90's any more, and it isn't the days of a new dSLR upgrade for everyone every 24 months.
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QuoteOriginally posted by FantasticMrFox Quote
Lenses could have been expected. Ricoh put some FF primes on the roadmap months ago to go with the K-1, a bit more info on these would certainly not hurt K-1 sales.
Being the lens in roadmap possibly a future rebadge of the three Tamron f/1,8 primes, they wouldn't have lenses mock up to show under glass.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote

What rational company would load the boat with new offerings under those circumstances?
Judging by the announcements made at or around Photokina, many a company represented there is irrational if one follows you.

Canon:
  • EOS 5D Mark IV (end of August)
  • EOS M5
  • EF 16-35 mm f/2.8L III USM (end of August)
  • EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM (end of August)
  • EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM II
  • EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS II USM
  • EF-M 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM

Cosina:
  • Voigtländer Heliar Vintage Line 50mm f/3.5 VM (Leica M mount)
  • Voigtländer Nokton 58 mm f/1.4 SL II S (Nikon F mount)
  • Development of Voigtländer Macro Apo-Lanthar 65mm f/2 (24x36, Sony E mount).

Fujifilm:
  • Fujifilm GFX 50S (development, prototype shown)
  • Fujinon GF 23mm f/4 R LM WR (development, mock-up shown)
  • Fujinon GF 45mm f/2.8 R WR (development, mock-up shown)
  • Fujinon GF 63mm f/2.8 R WR (development, prototype shown)
  • Fujinon GF 110mm f/2.8 R LM WR (development, mock-up shown)
  • Fujinon GF 120mm f/4 R LM OIS WR Macro (development, prototype shown)
  • Fujinon GF 32-64mm f/4 R LM WR (development, prototype shown)
  • Fujinon XF 50mm f/2 WR (pre-series lenses shown)
  • Fujinon XF 80mm f/2.8 R LM OIS WR Macro 1:1 (prototype shown).

Hasselblad:
  • X1D "4116 Edition"
  • V1D "4116 Edition" (concept camera)
  • XCD 30 mm f/3.5.

Leica:
  • Sofort
  • M-P (Typ 240) Titan
  • Apo-Macro-Elmarit-TL 60mm f/2.8 Asph.
  • Summilux-SL 50mm f/1.4 Asph.
  • Apo-Summicron-SL 75mm f/2 Asph. (development)
  • Apo-Summicron-SL 90mm f/2 Asph. (development)
  • Super-Vario-Elmar-SL 16-35mm f/3.5-4.5 Asph. (development)
  • Summicron-SL 35mm f/2 Asph. (development)

Nikon:
  • KeyMission 80
  • KeyMission 170
  • KeyMission 360

Olympus:
  • PEN E-PL8
  • OM-D E-M1 II (development)
  • M.Zuiko Digital ED 30mm f/3.5 Macro
  • M.Zuiko Digital ED 25mm f/1.2 Pro
  • M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-100mm f/4 IS Pro
  • FL-900R (flash).

Panasonic:
  • Lumix DMC-G80/85
  • Lumix DMC-LX10/15
  • Lumix DMC-FX2000/2500
  • Lumix DMC-GH5 (development, prototype shown)
  • Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 8-18mm f/2.8-4 (development, prototype/mock-up under glass)
  • Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 12-60mm f/2.8-4 (development, prototype/mock-up under glass)
  • Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm f/2.8-4 (development, mock-up under glass).

Phase One:
  • IQ1 100MP back
  • Schneider Kreuznach 45mm LS f/3.5
  • Schneider Kreuznach 150mm LS f/2.8 IF.

Samyang:
  • Premium 14mm f/2.4 (Canon EF, Nikon F and Sony A mounts)
  • Premium 85mm f1.2 (Canon EF mount)
  • Xeen 16mm T/2.6

Sigma:
  • Cine High Speed Zoom 18-35mm T/2
  • Cine High Speed Zoom 50-100mm T/2
  • Cine FF Zoom 24-35mm T/2.2
  • Cine FF High Speed Prime 20mm T/1.5
  • Cine FF High Speed Prime 24 mm T/1.5
  • Cine FF High Speed Prime 35 mm T/1.5
  • Cine FF High Speed Prime 50 mm T/1.5
  • Cine FF High Speed Prime 85 mm T/1.5
  • Art 12-24mm f/4 DG HSM
  • Art 85mm f/1.4 DG HSM
  • Sports 500 f/4 DG OS HSM

Sony:
  • Alpha 99 II
  • FE 50mm f/2.8 Macro
  • E PZ 18-110mm f/4 G OSS

Tamron:
  • 18-270mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD TS
  • SP 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2
  • TC-X14
  • TC-X20

TH Swiss AG:
  • Irix 11mm f/4
  • Irix 45mm f/1.4 (development)

Tokina:
  • Cinema Prime 18mm T/1.5 (development)
  • Cinema Prime 25mm T/1.5 (development)
  • Cinema Prime 35mm T/1.5
  • Cinema Prime 50mm T/1.5
  • Cinema Prime 85mm T/1.5
  • Cinema Zoom 16-28mm II T/3
  • FķRIN 20mm f/2 FE MF
  • Roadmap of three AF FķRIN lenses (Super Wide Prime, Fast Wide Prime and Standard Zoom)., all 24x36 lenses in Sony E mount.

Venus Optics:
  • Laowa 15mm f/2 FE Zero-D (24x36, Sony E mount)
  • Laowa 7.5mm f/2 (µ4/3).

(Xiao) Yi:
  • M1 (µ4/3 camera)
  • 12-40mm f/3.5-5.6
  • 42.5 mm f/1.8

Zeiss:
  • Loxia Sonnar T* FE 85mm f/2.4

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09-21-2016, 09:06 AM   #117
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But K-1 ate'm all

Btw, did we need confirmation that "the rest of the world" doesn't count for RI ?!
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Irix:
11mm F4 http://photorumors.com/2016/09/21/this-is-the-new-irix-11mm-f4-lens/
45mm F1.4 (with huge 82mm filter thread....) http://photorumors.com/2016/09/21/coming-next-irix-45mm-f1-4-lens-irix-ila-f...-edge-filters/
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
It is still a recession in Japan, China is very slow, commodity-based Emerging Markets are suffering from price collapses, Europe is stagnant and USA is great if you are rich and working but flat for middle class consumers.

What rational company would load the boat with new offerings under those circumstances?
All true. Camera's are not in the spotlight. Overhere in mainstream media only GoPro made the news.

http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/4323959/gopro-onthult-opvouwbare-drone-en-nieuwe-actiecameras.html

This could also be done with Theta. It needs a new 4k model and a different approach towards media.
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QuoteOriginally posted by prohtex Quote
Ricoh... you're killing me.. where is the rumored 100MP 645 update!?
Why release it before Fuji releases their MF? You will notice that this was not a big Photokina as far as announcements go.
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