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Mistral75 · 09-20-2016, 04:59 AM

They'll do better at CP+ 2017...

...or later.

FantasticMrFox · 09-20-2016, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

As for K-1 lenses, we know they are working on them, but I guess they aren't going to show them.

We do know they are working on FF primes, but the APS-C UWA has been sitting on the roadmap for four years now, and no one can seriously know whether any work is done on that.

Originally posted by kenspo

I've said it many times, and i say it again. Nothing major new things from Pentax this time.

Does 'major' only apply to cameras, or also lenses?

asahi man · 09-20-2016, 05:05 AM - **3 Likes**

The only problem is,it's nothing ready enough to show it at Photokina.
But I will have a couple of meetings and talks at Photokina and will keep you informed with the stuff what's OK or semi OK to talk about.
Best regards

afan137 · 09-20-2016, 05:17 AM

It is not good marketing if Pentax doesn't show anything new, or some other developments. The consumers want to see the ambition, but Ricoh is too silence. Maybe it is true that nothing is well prepared, and they don't have certain target to release the products. Oh well.

tabjohnson · 09-20-2016, 05:18 AM

Asahi man, please see if there is an indication that the Q system is at least on life support.

RonHendriks1966 · 09-20-2016, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by asahi man

The only problem is,it's nothing ready enough to show it at Photokina.
But I will have a couple of meetings and talks at Photokina and will keep you informed with the stuff what's OK or semi OK to talk about.
Best regards

Answer about Q would be great.

infoomatic · 09-20-2016, 05:32 AM

where are the k-mount lenses? Even Fuji manages to bring 6 MF lenses with their announcement. With Sigma announcing again some great lenses but not for K-mount I do really want some _new_ lenses, especially primes, be it f/4 for smaller size or f/1.4 for speed :-/.

Zygonyx · 09-20-2016, 05:33 AM - **1 Like**

6 new lenses announced to be made available within 6 to 18 month....

We even get the specs, good time for concurrence to counter-act

D1N0 · 09-20-2016, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

6 new lenses announced to be made available within 6 to 18 month....

2017 or later says roadmap. The aps-c wide zoom is on the roadmap for 2016 (june 2016) or later. I guess that is also later.

FantasticMrFox · 09-20-2016, 06:00 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by D1N0

The aps-c wide zoom is on the roadmap for 2016 (june 2016) or later. I guess that is also later.

And it has been sitting on the roadmap for over four years. I have wanted an UWA for some time now, and it's really quite simple - if Pentax doesn't announce it this Photokina (and it doesn't seem like it will), I'll buy a Sigma and Pentax loses out on my money. I want WR, but I also want to take pictures and not wait for years.

D1N0 · 09-20-2016, 06:08 AM

It is not impossible taking pictures with non-wr lenses you know.

FantasticMrFox · 09-20-2016, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

It is not impossible taking pictures with non-wr lenses you know.

I know. But if you live in Scotland and spend time in the Highlands, as I do, you really want WR

And just plainly a Pentax lens with a higher optical quality than the 10-20 Sigmas, and ideally a built-in AF (unlike the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6) ...

But if Pentax don't want to deliver, I'll have to buy elsewhere.

**gaweidert** · 09-20-2016, 06:22 AM - **5 Likes**

Show like this are huge expenses for the companies involved. Having helped set up equipment at Print Expo in Chicago in 1997 I made a decision to never volunteer for that experience again. Booth space is expensive. The cost to support the personnel working the show is very expensive. Exactly how much return can you expect for your effort? There happens to be a pretty severe world wide recession going on right now. Announcements that thing will be available in the next 6 to 18 months are an indication of this. It seems to be a very cautious approach to me. Nothing like the good old days.

Ricoh is more of a business imaging company than a consumer imaging company. Quite frankly they get a lot more press if they make major consumer product announcements outside the big shows. Any news during a "slow" time gets more press. At Photokina, the media is running around looking at Nikon, Canon, and Sony toys. Pentax is less of an afterthought that it was when I joined this site in 2012, but it is still no where near being a major player. In this day of almost instantaneous worldwide communication, shows like this are a bit of an anachronism. They have pretty much had their day. More and more companies are wondering if they are worth the expense.

Ricoh has been very good for Pentax. I have said this before and I still believe it to be true. They have put some life back into a venerable brand with a loyal following. When I joined this site in 2012 after almost 15 years of not bothering with serious photography at all. Pentax seemed to be on life support and a hand was on the plug. Ricoh has pumped some life into it and things are better than they have been for Pentax in a long time, If I didn't see the prospect for Pentax improving over the years I would have jumped to Nikon. Since the whole SLR to DSLR switch entailed a pretty steep learning curve for me, switching systems would not have been a big deal. Except for the not having made the acquaintances I have made here and learning how important squirrels are to our daily lives.

Class A · 09-20-2016, 06:35 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by gaweidert

In this day of almost instantaneous worldwide communication, shows like this are a bit of an anachronism. They have pretty much had their day.

You could be right that they won't be financially viable for much longer, but the first-hand Photokina experience is nothing like the second-hand hand information you get from the internet.

When I attended Photokina in 2014, I was not only impressed by the displays (gear and attraction pieces alike) but also amazed of how readily company representatives were prepared to have "between you and me" conversations. I received more confidential facts in a single day than I had read internet rumours all year. It was also truly great to be able to engage in personal communication with some of the designers behind the products we use.

I hope shows like this one will survive.

P.S.: And yes, I agree: Ricoh has done well (not "good") this year!

Scintilla · 09-20-2016, 07:07 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Class A

P.S.: And yes, I agree: Ricoh has done well (not "good") this year!

While maybe not Salvation Army-type levels, I'm sure a lot of people here would consider finally getting the K-1 out to be a case of doing some good.

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09-20-2016, 04:59 AM	#46
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	They'll do better at CP+ 2017... ...or later.

09-20-2016, 05:03 AM	#47
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by Rondec As for K-1 lenses, we know they are working on them, but I guess they aren't going to show them. We do know they are working on FF primes, but the APS-C UWA has been sitting on the roadmap for four years now, and no one can seriously know whether any work is done on that. Originally posted by kenspo I've said it many times, and i say it again. Nothing major new things from Pentax this time. Does 'major' only apply to cameras, or also lenses?

09-20-2016, 05:05 AM - 3 Likes	#48
asahi man Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 324	The only problem is,it's nothing ready enough to show it at Photokina. But I will have a couple of meetings and talks at Photokina and will keep you informed with the stuff what's OK or semi OK to talk about. Best regards

09-20-2016, 05:17 AM	#49
afan137 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kyoto Posts: 158	It is not good marketing if Pentax doesn't show anything new, or some other developments. The consumers want to see the ambition, but Ricoh is too silence. Maybe it is true that nothing is well prepared, and they don't have certain target to release the products. Oh well.

09-20-2016, 05:18 AM	#50
tabjohnson Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 72	Asahi man, please see if there is an indication that the Q system is at least on life support.

09-20-2016, 05:19 AM	#51
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by asahi man The only problem is,it's nothing ready enough to show it at Photokina. But I will have a couple of meetings and talks at Photokina and will keep you informed with the stuff what's OK or semi OK to talk about. Best regards Answer about Q would be great.

09-20-2016, 05:32 AM	#52
infoomatic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 255	where are the k-mount lenses? Even Fuji manages to bring 6 MF lenses with their announcement. With Sigma announcing again some great lenses but not for K-mount I do really want some _new_ lenses, especially primes, be it f/4 for smaller size or f/1.4 for speed :-/.

09-20-2016, 05:33 AM - 1 Like	#53
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	6 new lenses announced to be made available within 6 to 18 month.... We even get the specs, good time for concurrence to counter-act

09-20-2016, 05:57 AM	#54
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by Zygonyx 6 new lenses announced to be made available within 6 to 18 month.... 2017 or later says roadmap. The aps-c wide zoom is on the roadmap for 2016 (june 2016) or later. I guess that is also later.

09-20-2016, 06:00 AM - 2 Likes	#55
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by D1N0 The aps-c wide zoom is on the roadmap for 2016 (june 2016) or later. I guess that is also later. And it has been sitting on the roadmap for over four years. I have wanted an UWA for some time now, and it's really quite simple - if Pentax doesn't announce it this Photokina (and it doesn't seem like it will), I'll buy a Sigma and Pentax loses out on my money. I want WR, but I also want to take pictures and not wait for years.

09-20-2016, 06:08 AM	#56
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	It is not impossible taking pictures with non-wr lenses you know.

09-20-2016, 06:10 AM	#57
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by D1N0 It is not impossible taking pictures with non-wr lenses you know. I know. But if you live in Scotland and spend time in the Highlands, as I do, you really want WR And just plainly a Pentax lens with a higher optical quality than the 10-20 Sigmas, and ideally a built-in AF (unlike the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6) ... But if Pentax don't want to deliver, I'll have to buy elsewhere.

09-20-2016, 06:22 AM - 5 Likes	#58
gaweidert Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,327	Show like this are huge expenses for the companies involved. Having helped set up equipment at Print Expo in Chicago in 1997 I made a decision to never volunteer for that experience again. Booth space is expensive. The cost to support the personnel working the show is very expensive. Exactly how much return can you expect for your effort? There happens to be a pretty severe world wide recession going on right now. Announcements that thing will be available in the next 6 to 18 months are an indication of this. It seems to be a very cautious approach to me. Nothing like the good old days. Ricoh is more of a business imaging company than a consumer imaging company. Quite frankly they get a lot more press if they make major consumer product announcements outside the big shows. Any news during a "slow" time gets more press. At Photokina, the media is running around looking at Nikon, Canon, and Sony toys. Pentax is less of an afterthought that it was when I joined this site in 2012, but it is still no where near being a major player. In this day of almost instantaneous worldwide communication, shows like this are a bit of an anachronism. They have pretty much had their day. More and more companies are wondering if they are worth the expense. Ricoh has been very good for Pentax. I have said this before and I still believe it to be true. They have put some life back into a venerable brand with a loyal following. When I joined this site in 2012 after almost 15 years of not bothering with serious photography at all. Pentax seemed to be on life support and a hand was on the plug. Ricoh has pumped some life into it and things are better than they have been for Pentax in a long time, If I didn't see the prospect for Pentax improving over the years I would have jumped to Nikon. Since the whole SLR to DSLR switch entailed a pretty steep learning curve for me, switching systems would not have been a big deal. Except for the not having made the acquaintances I have made here and learning how important squirrels are to our daily lives.

09-20-2016, 06:35 AM - 1 Like	#59
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by gaweidert In this day of almost instantaneous worldwide communication, shows like this are a bit of an anachronism. They have pretty much had their day. You could be right that they won't be financially viable for much longer, but the first-hand Photokina experience is nothing like the second-hand hand information you get from the internet. When I attended Photokina in 2014, I was not only impressed by the displays (gear and attraction pieces alike) but also amazed of how readily company representatives were prepared to have "between you and me" conversations. I received more confidential facts in a single day than I had read internet rumours all year. It was also truly great to be able to engage in personal communication with some of the designers behind the products we use. I hope shows like this one will survive. P.S.: And yes, I agree: Ricoh has done well (not "good") this year!

09-20-2016, 07:07 AM - 1 Like	#60
Scintilla Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 347	Originally posted by Class A P.S.: And yes, I agree: Ricoh has done well (not "good") this year! While maybe not Salvation Army-type levels, I'm sure a lot of people here would consider finally getting the K-1 out to be a case of doing some good.

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