Nothing New at Photokina!??!

Zygonyx · 11-28-2016, 07:05 AM

For sure, projected MSRP given by Mistral are anything but unrealistic.
There definitely will be numerous buyers, if that normal ultrawide prime sells under 1800€.
Don't forget FF is no APS-C... and such a price range is close to the existing f/2.8 zooms.

Kunzite · 11-28-2016, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by virusn3t

while companies die because over ambitius, the lack of that is equally bad.

Indeed; but then, there's a solution: to have exactly the right degree of ambition - not too much, not too little

virusn3t · 11-28-2016, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Indeed; but then, there's a solution: to have exactly the right degree of ambition - not too much, not too little

Well Ricoh say top 3 of camera companies... Lets wait and see how ambitius they gonna be.

Kunzite · 11-28-2016, 08:14 AM

But they didn't say #1... that would be over-ambitious! (or #4 DSLR company, that would be an extreme lack of ambition

)

RonHendriks1966 · 11-28-2016, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by virusn3t

Well Ricoh say top 3 of camera companies... Lets wait and see how ambitius they gonna be.

On the moment they are on the last spot, so a long way to go.

surfar · 11-28-2016, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

they are on the last spot

How do you calculate that?

Value for money, they are FIRST by a country mile.....bang for buck is the reason for lots to buy the system.

They are FIRST in the niche market of DSLRs, First for innovative features,First for ruggedness of build quality...the list goes on.

Sheer numbers, who cares!

RonHendriks1966 · 11-28-2016, 02:31 PM

If you like them to see them as number 1 you are right ofcourse.

surfar · 11-28-2016, 02:38 PM

With Canikony being "up there" numbers wise doesn't mean much to people who don't like their product or prices, just ask the people who buy M43/Fuji/Pentax.

Theres numerous systems to get good stills or video from.....However, no perfect camera yet!

OTH · 11-28-2016, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by surfar

With Canikony being "up there" numbers wise doesn't mean much to people who don't like their product or prices, just ask the people who buy M43/Fuji/Pentax.

Fuji did the right with their Pro Lenses. There is no compromise, buy it or leave it and that's the right solution in this time. The time everyone wanted "a big DSLR" is over and no one cares anymore for cheap plastic fantastic. Quality is the answer to the market and i hope that Pentax is ready for this, because they are the only ones who are playing on three different systems (APS-C , FF and Medium Format) and they have to deliver !

And I'm waiting for the replacement of the K-3 / II. Something with the smooth shutter of the 645Z/K1, max. 28/30 MPix without AA , FlipScreen and a simple Battery Slot that contains simple AA batteries instead of special Batteries.

FantasticMrFox · 11-28-2016, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by virusn3t

Well Ricoh say top 3 of camera companies... Lets wait and see how ambitius they gonna be.

That means they would have to overtake either Sony, Nikon or Canon. Which one will it be? I think I no the answer: none of them

mee · 11-28-2016, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I like that!

More seriously and to put things into perspective, here below the MSRPs of the recently introduced 50mm f/1.4 and related 24x36 autofocus lenses:

July 2016: Sony Zeiss Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA - $1,499
May 2016: Samyang AF 50mm F1.4 FE - $699
October 2015 - Leica Summilux-SL 50mm f1.4 Asph - $5,295
January 2014: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art - $949
October 2013: Nikon AF-S Nikkor 58mm f/1.4G - $1,699.95
February 2013: Sony Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.4 ZA SSM - $1,499

So, what would you prefer to pay:

$349 for a smc Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4
$599 for a smc Pentax-FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited
$799 for a HD Pentax-D FA 45mm f/1.8 SDM WR (rebadged Tamron SP 45mm f/1.8 Di USD, MSRP = $599)
$999 to $1,299 for an HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 DC WR
or $1,499 to $1,799 for an HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.2 DC WR?

Aren't you the same guy that said we were getting primes announced at Photokina?

virusn3t · 11-28-2016, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by FantasticMrFox

That means they would have to overtake either Sony, Nikon or Canon. Which one will it be? I think I no the answer: none of them

To be honest, if Sony buy Nikon, they will be the third DSRL manufacturer by default.

Close, but not the same as the third leading brand

Mistral75 · 11-29-2016, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by mee

Aren't you the same guy that said we were getting primes announced at Photokina?

I'm afraid I am not.

D1N0 · 11-29-2016, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by virusn3t

To be honest, if Sony buy Nikon, they will be the third DSRL manufacturer by default.

Close, but not the same as the third leading brand

They already are third.... Canon, Nikon, Pentax that's it. (Not counting larger formats).

FantasticMrFox · 11-29-2016, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

They already are third.... Canon, Nikon, Pentax that's it. (Not counting larger formats).

Only for DSLR. Pentax wants to be the third ILC brand by market share, I believe, which means they're up against Sony, Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji, to name the bigger ones. If they want to become number 3 they'd have to beat either one of the big three, Canon, Nikon and Sony.

11-28-2016, 04:59 PM	#611
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Mistral75 I like that! More seriously and to put things into perspective, here below the MSRPs of the recently introduced 50mm f/1.4 and related 24x36 autofocus lenses: July 2016: Sony Zeiss Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA - $1,499 May 2016: Samyang AF 50mm F1.4 FE - $699 October 2015 - Leica Summilux-SL 50mm f1.4 Asph - $5,295 January 2014: Sigma 50mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art - $949 October 2013: Nikon AF-S Nikkor 58mm f/1.4G - $1,699.95 February 2013: Sony Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.4 ZA SSM - $1,499 So, what would you prefer to pay: $349 for a smc Pentax-FA 50mm f/1.4 $599 for a smc Pentax-FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited $799 for a HD Pentax-D FA 45mm f/1.8 SDM WR (rebadged Tamron SP 45mm f/1.8 Di USD, MSRP = $599) $999 to $1,299 for an HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.4 DC WR or $1,499 to $1,799 for an HD Pentax-D FA★ 50mm f/1.2 DC WR? Aren't you the same guy that said we were getting primes announced at Photokina?

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11-28-2016, 07:05 AM	#601
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	For sure, projected MSRP given by Mistral are anything but unrealistic. There definitely will be numerous buyers, if that normal ultrawide prime sells under 1800€. Don't forget FF is no APS-C... and such a price range is close to the existing f/2.8 zooms.

11-28-2016, 07:41 AM	#602
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by virusn3t while companies die because over ambitius, the lack of that is equally bad. Indeed; but then, there's a solution: to have exactly the right degree of ambition - not too much, not too little

11-28-2016, 07:52 AM	#603
virusn3t Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 676	Originally posted by Kunzite Indeed; but then, there's a solution: to have exactly the right degree of ambition - not too much, not too little Well Ricoh say top 3 of camera companies... Lets wait and see how ambitius they gonna be.

11-28-2016, 08:14 AM	#604
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	But they didn't say #1... that would be over-ambitious! (or #4 DSLR company, that would be an extreme lack of ambition )

11-28-2016, 08:48 AM	#605
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by virusn3t Well Ricoh say top 3 of camera companies... Lets wait and see how ambitius they gonna be. On the moment they are on the last spot, so a long way to go.

11-28-2016, 11:50 AM	#606
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,139	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 they are on the last spot How do you calculate that? Value for money, they are FIRST by a country mile.....bang for buck is the reason for lots to buy the system. They are FIRST in the niche market of DSLRs, First for innovative features,First for ruggedness of build quality...the list goes on. Sheer numbers, who cares!

11-28-2016, 02:31 PM	#607
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	If you like them to see them as number 1 you are right ofcourse.

11-28-2016, 02:38 PM	#608
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,139	With Canikony being "up there" numbers wise doesn't mean much to people who don't like their product or prices, just ask the people who buy M43/Fuji/Pentax. Theres numerous systems to get good stills or video from.....However, no perfect camera yet!

11-28-2016, 04:43 PM	#609
OTH Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 42	Originally posted by surfar With Canikony being "up there" numbers wise doesn't mean much to people who don't like their product or prices, just ask the people who buy M43/Fuji/Pentax. Fuji did the right with their Pro Lenses. There is no compromise, buy it or leave it and that's the right solution in this time. The time everyone wanted "a big DSLR" is over and no one cares anymore for cheap plastic fantastic. Quality is the answer to the market and i hope that Pentax is ready for this, because they are the only ones who are playing on three different systems (APS-C , FF and Medium Format) and they have to deliver ! And I'm waiting for the replacement of the K-3 / II. Something with the smooth shutter of the 645Z/K1, max. 28/30 MPix without AA , FlipScreen and a simple Battery Slot that contains simple AA batteries instead of special Batteries.

11-28-2016, 04:56 PM	#610
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by virusn3t Well Ricoh say top 3 of camera companies... Lets wait and see how ambitius they gonna be. That means they would have to overtake either Sony, Nikon or Canon. Which one will it be? I think I no the answer: none of them

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11-28-2016, 05:41 PM	#612
virusn3t Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 676	Originally posted by FantasticMrFox That means they would have to overtake either Sony, Nikon or Canon. Which one will it be? I think I no the answer: none of them To be honest, if Sony buy Nikon, they will be the third DSRL manufacturer by default. Close, but not the same as the third leading brand

11-29-2016, 04:59 AM	#613
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by mee Aren't you the same guy that said we were getting primes announced at Photokina? I'm afraid I am not.

11-29-2016, 05:27 AM	#614
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by virusn3t To be honest, if Sony buy Nikon, they will be the third DSRL manufacturer by default. Close, but not the same as the third leading brand They already are third.... Canon, Nikon, Pentax that's it. (Not counting larger formats).

11-29-2016, 05:57 AM	#615
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Originally posted by D1N0 They already are third.... Canon, Nikon, Pentax that's it. (Not counting larger formats). Only for DSLR. Pentax wants to be the third ILC brand by market share, I believe, which means they're up against Sony, Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji, to name the bigger ones. If they want to become number 3 they'd have to beat either one of the big three, Canon, Nikon and Sony.