K-3ii marked as discontinued

Racer X 69 · 08-30-2017, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I have not because my original plan was to sell the DA's and use K-1 with my FA Limiteds and legacy manual lenses. Then I was offered a great price on a KP by a seller who experienced buyer's remorse. K-1 could be my FF camera and K-01 my APSc with the K-5 sensor, but KP is faster, should be better at high ISO and is a bit smaller than K-01- and has a viewfinder. K-01 is my video camera.

Sounds like you're set.

**Rondec** · 08-31-2017, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Nikon had roughly 36 months between the D800 and the D810, and then roughly 36 months to the D850; they also had over 100 months between the D300 and D500, so a long period between high-end products is already not unreasonable.

Traditionally there is an 18 month replacement cycle for APS-C and 3 years for full frame. These days that may get spaced out a bit more as the camera market matures and it takes longer to bring new sensor tech to market.

totsmuyco · 08-31-2017, 04:50 AM

Just an inquiry, what is canon's equivalent to the K-3II?

Mistral75 · 08-31-2017, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

Just an inquiry, what is canon's equivalent to the K-3II?

I would say the K-3 II stays between the EOS 80D and the EOS 7D Mark II.

**Belnan** · 08-31-2017, 07:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by totsmuyco

Just an inquiry, what is canon's equivalent to the K-3II?

Pentax K3 II ~ Canon 80D ~ Nikon D7200

All about same level but different strengths and weaknesses.

**jatrax** · 08-31-2017, 08:08 AM - **1 Like**

Here is another look from a slightly different angle:
k-7 5/2009
k-x 9/2009 - 4 months
k-r 9/2010 - 12 months
k-5 9/2010 - same
k-30 5/2012 - 20 months
k-5II 9/2012 - 4 months
k-50 6/2013 - 9 months
k-3 10/2013 - 4 months
645-z 4/2014 - 6 months
k-s1 8/2014 - 4 months
k-s2 2/2015 - 6 months
k-3II 4/2015 - 2 months
k-1 2/2016 - 10 months
k-70 6/2016 - 4 months
kp 1/2017 - 7 months

If we look at all camera releases instead of just cameras intended to replace some other camera the release schedule suddenly looks a lot different. So if there is only one team working on one camera at the same time the schedule is remarkably consistent allowing for show dates and other factors that might affect the actual public announcement. I did not look at other projects that might have been ongoing as well.

I don't remember the exact take over dates but I assume the 20 months between the k-5 and k-30 correspond roughly with the Ricoh purchase. Since then they cranked out a new body quite consistently. The biggest gap is between the k-3II and the k-1 which is understandable as it would have been a bit more involved project.

Reed · 08-31-2017, 10:12 AM

K-3II to K-1 delay may correspond to service rework for faulty power switch unit in K-3ii first production run.

dcpropilot · 08-31-2017, 10:34 AM - **2 Likes**

Please let this thread die.

**jatrax** · 08-31-2017, 10:40 AM

So since the announcement of the k-30 in May 2012 until today is I think 63 months and in that time they have released 11 camera bodies. So an average of one new body every 5.7 months.

Since KP it is now 8 months so it is obvious Pentax is now Doooomed™

**Rondec** · 08-31-2017, 11:28 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by jatrax

So since the announcement of the k-30 in May 2012 until today is I think 63 months and in that time they have released 11 camera bodies. So an average of one new body every 5.7 months.

Since KP it is now 8 months so it is obvious Pentax is now Doooomed™

If they'd just release a Q followed by a 645z II, I think we would all feel better about life, in general.

**jatrax** · 08-31-2017, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

If they'd just release a Q followed by a 645z II,

Q I think is a dead end, sadly. Unless it morphs into something different but I do not see how they can change it much without abandoning the existing glass.

645z, I do not know. Maybe this is where they move to mirrorless? 645z was announced in February 2014. I do not think, without outside pressure, they would update it until 2019. But with the Fuji medium format and the 45mp Nikon there is some pressure to release a new model. But only so many hands to do the work. What will bring the most return for that work?

**Rondec** · 08-31-2017, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Q I think is a dead end, sadly. Unless it morphs into something different but I do not see how they can change it much without abandoning the existing glass.

645z, I do not know. Maybe this is where they move to mirrorless? 645z was announced in February 2014. I do not think, without outside pressure, they would update it until 2019. But with the Fuji medium format and the 45mp Nikon there is some pressure to release a new model. But only so many hands to do the work. What will bring the most return for that work?

I was being silly. People on the forum (for the most part) are only interested in K mount stuff, so the announcement of a new Q would only make a few happy, the same with a 645z sequel. If people weren't happy with a K-P release, those other things are definitely not going to make them happy.

I should say that I think releasing another generation Q along with the macro lens would make sense (it seemed to be a big seller in Asia). Not sure about the 645 program -- probably full sized sensor, eventually along with more glass?

**jatrax** · 08-31-2017, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

I was being silly.

Maybe not so silly, IMHO. One of the complaints is that other companies are releasing products and Ricoh is not. Whether that is valid is up for debate, but ANY release of a new product from Pentax would at least silence some of the critics. Generally I am ambivalent about keeping up with the competition but there is something to be said for regular releases so that the media has something to talk about.

Of course expecting Pentax to have a new release every time every other company has a release really is silly.

**boriscleto** · 08-31-2017, 01:03 PM - **2 Likes**

Ricoh announced the new Theta today. So 0 months since the last camera release...

**jatrax** · 08-31-2017, 01:18 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by boriscleto

Ricoh announced the new Theta today. So 0 months since the last camera release...

Well there you go! Clock is reset.

08-31-2017, 11:53 AM	#642
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by jatrax Q I think is a dead end, sadly. Unless it morphs into something different but I do not see how they can change it much without abandoning the existing glass. 645z, I do not know. Maybe this is where they move to mirrorless? 645z was announced in February 2014. I do not think, without outside pressure, they would update it until 2019. But with the Fuji medium format and the 45mp Nikon there is some pressure to release a new model. But only so many hands to do the work. What will bring the most return for that work? I was being silly. People on the forum (for the most part) are only interested in K mount stuff, so the announcement of a new Q would only make a few happy, the same with a 645z sequel. If people weren't happy with a K-P release, those other things are definitely not going to make them happy. I should say that I think releasing another generation Q along with the macro lens would make sense (it seemed to be a big seller in Asia). Not sure about the 645 program -- probably full sized sensor, eventually along with more glass? Last edited by Rondec; 08-31-2017 at 12:18 PM.

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Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,067	Originally posted by monochrome I have not because my original plan was to sell the DA's and use K-1 with my FA Limiteds and legacy manual lenses. Then I was offered a great price on a KP by a seller who experienced buyer's remorse. K-1 could be my FF camera and K-01 my APSc with the K-5 sensor, but KP is faster, should be better at high ISO and is a bit smaller than K-01- and has a viewfinder. K-01 is my video camera. Sounds like you're set.

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by reh321 Nikon had roughly 36 months between the D800 and the D810, and then roughly 36 months to the D850; they also had over 100 months between the D300 and D500, so a long period between high-end products is already not unreasonable. Traditionally there is an 18 month replacement cycle for APS-C and 3 years for full frame. These days that may get spaced out a bit more as the camera market matures and it takes longer to bring new sensor tech to market.

08-31-2017, 04:50 AM	#633
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Just an inquiry, what is canon's equivalent to the K-3II?

08-31-2017, 05:02 AM	#634
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by totsmuyco Just an inquiry, what is canon's equivalent to the K-3II? I would say the K-3 II stays between the EOS 80D and the EOS 7D Mark II.

08-31-2017, 07:10 AM - 1 Like	#635
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Originally posted by totsmuyco Just an inquiry, what is canon's equivalent to the K-3II? Pentax K3 II ~ Canon 80D ~ Nikon D7200 All about same level but different strengths and weaknesses.

08-31-2017, 08:08 AM - 1 Like	#636
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Here is another look from a slightly different angle: k-7 5/2009 k-x 9/2009 - 4 months k-r 9/2010 - 12 months k-5 9/2010 - same k-30 5/2012 - 20 months k-5II 9/2012 - 4 months k-50 6/2013 - 9 months k-3 10/2013 - 4 months 645-z 4/2014 - 6 months k-s1 8/2014 - 4 months k-s2 2/2015 - 6 months k-3II 4/2015 - 2 months k-1 2/2016 - 10 months k-70 6/2016 - 4 months kp 1/2017 - 7 months If we look at all camera releases instead of just cameras intended to replace some other camera the release schedule suddenly looks a lot different. So if there is only one team working on one camera at the same time the schedule is remarkably consistent allowing for show dates and other factors that might affect the actual public announcement. I did not look at other projects that might have been ongoing as well. I don't remember the exact take over dates but I assume the 20 months between the k-5 and k-30 correspond roughly with the Ricoh purchase. Since then they cranked out a new body quite consistently. The biggest gap is between the k-3II and the k-1 which is understandable as it would have been a bit more involved project.

08-31-2017, 10:12 AM	#637
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery Posts: 638	K-3II to K-1 delay may correspond to service rework for faulty power switch unit in K-3ii first production run.

08-31-2017, 10:34 AM - 2 Likes	#638
dcpropilot Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Vermont Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 941	Please let this thread die.

08-31-2017, 10:40 AM	#639
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	So since the announcement of the k-30 in May 2012 until today is I think 63 months and in that time they have released 11 camera bodies. So an average of one new body every 5.7 months. Since KP it is now 8 months so it is obvious Pentax is now Doooomed™

08-31-2017, 11:28 AM - 3 Likes	#640
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by jatrax So since the announcement of the k-30 in May 2012 until today is I think 63 months and in that time they have released 11 camera bodies. So an average of one new body every 5.7 months. Since KP it is now 8 months so it is obvious Pentax is now Doooomed™ If they'd just release a Q followed by a 645z II, I think we would all feel better about life, in general.

08-31-2017, 11:42 AM	#641
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Rondec If they'd just release a Q followed by a 645z II, Q I think is a dead end, sadly. Unless it morphs into something different but I do not see how they can change it much without abandoning the existing glass. 645z, I do not know. Maybe this is where they move to mirrorless? 645z was announced in February 2014. I do not think, without outside pressure, they would update it until 2019. But with the Fuji medium format and the 45mp Nikon there is some pressure to release a new model. But only so many hands to do the work. What will bring the most return for that work?

08-31-2017, 12:18 PM	#643
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by Rondec I was being silly. Maybe not so silly, IMHO. One of the complaints is that other companies are releasing products and Ricoh is not. Whether that is valid is up for debate, but ANY release of a new product from Pentax would at least silence some of the critics. Generally I am ambivalent about keeping up with the competition but there is something to be said for regular releases so that the media has something to talk about. Of course expecting Pentax to have a new release every time every other company has a release really is silly.

08-31-2017, 01:03 PM - 2 Likes	#644
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Ricoh announced the new Theta today. So 0 months since the last camera release...

08-31-2017, 01:18 PM - 1 Like	#645
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by boriscleto Ricoh announced the new Theta today. So 0 months since the last camera release... Well there you go! Clock is reset.