Originally posted by mecrox Come on, that is all nonsense. Designing a lens or any other item inhouse or putting it out of house is a straightforward business case which will have received very careful attention before any decision is made. Besides, you may be surprised at the huge amount of intercompany development and manufacturing which goes on across the whole industry. Think Leica do all their own full-frame stuff? Half of it is down to Panasonic, but they don't like to tell us that. Spoils the mystique. Very nice business for Panasonic, though.
None of us has the remotest idea what Pentax's profit or loss is on any items or even collectively. And nothing is overpriced, a purely subjective assessment. It is priced at what the market will bear in terms of supply and demand. These days companies have extremely sophisticated methods of modelling supply, demand and prices over the lifetime of a product, in order to maximize the overall return, and I am sure Ricoh are no exception. I've seen nothing to suggest that the K1 is anything other than a great success.
Asahi Pentax used to be optical company with profits coming from lens manufacturing. Cameras were product that sucked people and they then bought lenses.
Since digital era this changed. At first there was TOKINA which brought DA12-24/4, DFA100/2.8, DA*16-50/2.8, DA*50-135/2.8, DA35/2.8 and possibly something else. Then they divorced and now we have another joint with Tamron. DA18-250, DA18-270, DFA15-30, DFA24-70 and maybe something more this year..
The result is, that company that used to be excellent optic design powerhouse shrinked to company, that is mostly buying OEM lenses and building cameras.
Another result is, that there are no more Tokina lenses for K mount and Tamron lenses in production are being discontinued while new tamron lenses do not have K versions..
Concerning the pricing, if the same Tamron 15-30/2.8 for Canon and Nikon costs 50% less on some markets than DFA15-30/2.8 which is the same lens with killed VC and shortened warranty, I call this overpriced. Because market is not forced to choose if to buy that DFA or if NOT. Market has choice to buy that canon or nikon with tamron and save money on lenses in result.
Ricoh market share even in home Japan is dropping. And this is one of reasons why.
Same applies for HD-DA conversions of SMC-DA limiteds. Those lenses started to be slightly more expensive around 2009. But now these new HD-DA versions went even higher... and how they are selling now?
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad..
Pentax is not Leica where even the most stupid and extremely overpriced product with red mark will be bought as collective relic. And if Ricoh is trying to push Pentax ship this way, it will sink soon.