Originally posted by monochrome We already have Canon and Nikon, and their big cameras and big fast lenses. Do we need another?
I think the more important question is, Is there serious demand for something different? As far as DSLR systems go. That points the direction Pentax needs to consider traveling.
Your question is a very close second in my mind because it is a follow up to the first Q.
Originally posted by monochrome Pentax is (supposed to be) the alternative full line camera company. Whatever says 'Pentax' has to be different. They have to make the market (of course, that means marketing) . . . )
Who made the claim that Pentax is supposed to be the alternative full line camera company? Alternative in what way? Again, is that way selling? Right now, I'd say not largely... It has piqued interest for sure. But Pentax makes money by selling both Camera bodies AND (more importantly) a lot of lenses and accessories.
On the other hand, it appears, from the data I presented, that most people seem to grab an f/4 zoom and go with it. Maybe an 85mm for portraits. And if they already have these items, what is in it for them to switch to another brand for the same thing just a different mount?
It is a troubling predicament to be in.. and you bring up that point of asking do we need another Canon or Nikon? The traditional market is largely entrenched in them. And there is a much, much, much, much smaller market (it seems) for alternative systems. At least for K mount. 645 seems to be doing well simply because it is cheap, quality, and decent quantity of lenses.
FF K mount was super late on the scene. Both Canon and Nikon had over a decade to evolve their FF catalog while building a deeply entrenched userbase. Pentax had that but lost it.. maybe even gave it up. Now that there is an owner that wants to make something of it, they have the rather difficult task of trying to convince potential buyers that Pentax and K mount is the right system to buy into.
I don't think they make inroads because there is minimal advantage for a user to switch. Usually the switch happens when someone either gets enraged or bored. An appeal to emotions has to be made. Ricoh is too conservative and will continue to very slowly grow the system and try to keep it profitable. But they've shown me over the past number of years now that they don't have the stomach to risk much to potentially gain much. Too much at stake for them financially. And that's understandable. They will roll with the punches and slowly build as the market shows them where they feel is best.
Which gets me back to suggestion I made a couple of days ago... Metabones and similar adapters are probably our best solution for gaining a wealth of modern FF, fast lenses. The newest Metabones designs seem to be really well done.
I wouldn't feel bad about shooting with EF lenses on my K mount camera... not sure how the rest of you guys feel about that. That alone seems to boost Sony when they were getting into the FF mirrorless designs several years ago while Sony built (and continues to build) their own lens lineup.
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Originally posted by monochrome Counting Flickr image data as proof of your assertion only suggests what buyers of Canon and Nikon cameras choose for lenses.
So you're telling me Pentaxians don't use Flickr? We both know that untrue because many hotlink on PF to their flickr accounts.
It is the widest pool of camera data we have currently for the end user. You might not but I consider it valid (even if not end all be all).