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01-24-2017, 06:42 PM   #91
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
Are you saying you like K-30 better or "trusty old film camera" better??
Sorry, I meant that I have no desire to go back to retro-style ergonomics. I like holding the K-30 much more than the Program Plus, even with the removable finger rest on the front.

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@cwrailman My daughter led the conversion of her nationally-competitive High School Journalism Department from K-1000's and wet process for news and yearbook to Canon digital - in 2003. The savings on film and chemistry alone in one year bought the cameras and lenses. Apple donated 24 Mac workstations. Adobe discounted software licenses and Yearbook digital delivery savings paid the rest of the costs in the first year..

Two years ago the K-1000's were dusted off and CLA'ed, M50/1.7's and telephotos uncased and darkrooms cleaned up. Analog photography is the hottest Art course in the catalog.

I think Kirkwood High School is leading - 2nd ranked school district in the state.
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What does Ricoh think producing new camera with old AF system?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
What amazes me is that nobody has made any comments or remarks about the new sensor.

24.33 Mpix: this is not the K-3 II sensor (6,016 x 4,000), nor the K-70 sensor (6,000 x 4,000).
Effective Pixels Approx. 24.35 megapixels (K-3II) It's almost the same.


What about Wi-Fi and GPS in this camera?

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If KP has no real hybrid AF system, it's not interesting camera at all. Nothing to attract.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RGlasel Quote
Sorry, I meant that I have no desire to go back to retro-style ergonomics. I like holding the K-30 much more than the Program Plus, even with the removable finger rest on the front.
You can get the bigger finger grip for the KP.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RGlasel Quote
Sorry, I meant that I have no desire to go back to retro-style ergonomics. I like holding the K-30 much more than the Program Plus, even with the removable finger rest on the front.
My feeling was just the opposite; all cameras before the Canon T-90 had the same ergonomics, and I loved it. I learned to cradle the body with my right hand and the lens with my left hand. The grip on my K-30 basically feels in the way, compared to what I had with the Super Program. Maybe that is part of their thinking in providing the fat grip for people like you, and the more svelte grip for people like me.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
From Nokishita Camera:

- New generation 24.33 Mpix APS-C CMOS sensor
- 'PRIME IV' image processing engine with image accelerator unit
- 5-axis 'SR II' in-body image stabilisation (5-stop correction)
- 27-point 'SAFOX 11' autofocus system (25 cross-type)
- Sensitivity: ISO 100-819,200
- Continuous drive: 7 fps
- Maximum shutter speed 1/24,000 s (electronic shutter)
- Dust-proof and drip-proof casing with 67 seals; cold resistance up to minus 10℃
- Pixel Shift
- Optical viewfinder with 100% coverage
- 3-inch tilting LCD screen
- Video: Full HD
- DR II
- Dimensions: 131.5 x 101 x 76.0 mm
- Weight: 643 g.
Interesting, but coupled with the images from the KP - I still have reservations.
  • Sensor - performance and technology? what is the expected performance?
  • ISO - 819,200?? ok - but what is usable? is 6400 on the KP equal to 800 on the K5IIs
  • Shutter speed 1/24,000 s - interesting especially when coupled with Bracketing and Pixel Shift
  • No GPS? - which possibly indicates a future K3II replacement
AshiMan's indication of this not being the K3II replacement rings true. However with this KP potentially at $1300 and the K1 at $1700-$2000, I do not see really much room for at K3II replacement price point. And the K1 get very expensive when I would need to package it with the DFA 15-30.

Again, I am very happily shooting with my K5IIs, which is sitting right here on the table with me. I'll just wait till all of the KP hoopla is over and wait for the K3II real replacement, performance, specifications and pricing. I want to see all the information on the table along with reviews and what/how whatever is out there is actually shooting - before I even start to entertain anything - which to get all of this available is a year away.

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I am so relieved that this is not the K-3 II replacement.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
K-3 - 131 × 100 × 77 mm

How is KP more compact? 131.5 x 101 x 76.0 mm
I'm very surprised. It does appear to be tiny in the video review. But it isn't any different if these values are correct.

It makes me wonder what is the point of this camera? It seems to be a K-3 and K-70 blend but with the bad parts of each. haha.

I guess maybe, as one person suggested, this is not designed for Western tastes... It just seems, to me, that they could have taken any advancement in hardware and blended it into an actual K-3 II successor instead of a sidegrade (as opposed to upgrade) in a fuji-like body.
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I am so relieved that this is not the K-3 II replacement.
but....price too high for KP

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I'm very surprised. It does appear to be tiny in the video review. But it isn't any different if these values are correct.

It makes me wonder what is the point of this camera? It seems to be a K-3 and K-70 blend but with the bad parts of each. haha.

I guess maybe, as one person suggested, this is not designed for Western tastes... It just seems, to me, that they could have taken any advancement in hardware and blended it into an actual K-3 II successor instead of a sidegrade (as opposed to upgrade) in a fuji-like body.
I'd like to send the knife for seppuku to the designer of KP.
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I am so relieved that this is not the K-3 II replacement.
It scared me so much, I started pricing other brands.

In the end, I took a deep breath and.... realized switching now would be painful for the pocketbook.

I'll just wait to see if they offer anything next month. The really awkward place is, if they don't announce an actual K-3 II replacement at this time -- then what? Buy a K-3 II now... discover K-3 II replacement in October? Wait for October only to learn no K-3 II replacement then and should have bought the K-3 II? Ricoh isn't currently giving clear signals right now..
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Is there are sense to buy KP instead of K-3II or K-70? I don't see any sense....Ricoh makes niche product IMO
Maybe a bit more successful than K-S1...But not much for such price.
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Is there are sense to buy KP instead of K-3II or K-70? I don't see any sense....Ricoh makes niche product IMO
Maybe a bit more successful than K-S1...But not much for such price.
I think I will wait one more day until the specs and pricing are officially announced and confirmed until I comment on that
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I think I will wait one more day until the specs and pricing are officially announced and confirmed until I comment on that
I don't think that big Japanese camera shop doesn't know the price.
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Mee and ogl, get a grip guys, you're roasting it pretty hard, maybe move on?
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Mee and ogl, get a grip guys, you're roasting it pretty hard, maybe move on?
Which one? It appears with the KP there are at least 3...

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