Pentax KP - Specifications

**monochrome** · 01-26-2017, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by LFLee

KP: priced at flagship apsc but it's not flagship apsc?

points that support it is a flagship:
1. price
2. dedicated hand grip

points that support it is not a flagship:
1. on board flash
2. no top led
3. not using K5/K3/K1/645z battery

Unit volume down 50% = prices up 50%

Mistral75 · 01-26-2017, 10:51 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Unit volume down 50% = prices up 50%

Same as lingerie.

Doundounba · 01-26-2017, 11:01 AM - **1 Like**

As an aside, I wish Ricoh would decide on where it wants the Liveview button/switch to live...

EDIT: As I think about it, I think the KP's switch solution is nice, because it will be possible to turn on the camera and have it go directly into liveview (if the switch was left in LV position). On the K-3, going from OFF to Liveview shooting always requires two actions: turn-on, then hit the LV button...

Kunzite · 01-26-2017, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Same as lingerie.

I thought Ricoh sold off that division...

**reduno** · 01-26-2017, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Doundounba

As an aside, I wish Ricoh would decide on where it wants the Liveview button/switch to live...

Hopefully away from the 4-way controller buttons (like the K-3). Iv'e hit it too many times by accident on the K-7/K-5 layout.

Mistral75 · 01-26-2017, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I thought Ricoh sold off that division...

. Only the outlets.

lightbox · 01-26-2017, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Doundounba

As an aside, I wish Ricoh would decide on where it wants the Liveview button/switch to live...

Also the green button keeps moving, and the exposure mode dial can't decide whether it wants to be on the right or the left.

reh321 · 01-26-2017, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by yygomez

I just wonder if they are going to kill the evolution of the K7-K5ii-K3 APS-C bodies in favor of this new one?
Maybe they just want to leave alone the K1 at the top end?
For me the K5ii body ergonomics was close to perfect...

They did with the KP what I had expected them to do with the K-70 - from the front, ignoring the grip the camera has a definite family resemblance to the K-1, and completely different from modern Canikon entries. Someone should be able to tell its Pentax even if they can't read the name.
Compare camera dimensions side by side

**boriscleto** · 01-26-2017, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

What he said ^^
I'm guessing that Pentax/Ricoh Imaging is reevaluating what a Pentax APS-C flagship means.

A single card slot and 8 RAW frame buffer. Mid-range, not flagship...

So unless Ricoh wants to be an extremely niche company there will be a 4th K-mount body in the lineup...

D1N0 · 01-26-2017, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

8 RAW frame buffer.

Ricoh want's only sensible people who don't use there camera in machine gun mode to buy this camera.

Kunzite · 01-26-2017, 12:21 PM

What I'm saying is that, perhaps, their APS-C flagship is no longer a $1100-$1200 MSRP camera - and the compromises it brings. This is indeed a mid-range camera, maybe for the APS-C flagship they're targeting higher?
Not like I know.

Quicksand · 01-26-2017, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

KP: priced at flagship apsc but it's not flagship apsc?

points that support it is a flagship:
1. price
2. dedicated hand grip

points that support it is not a flagship:
1. on board flash
2. no top led
3. not using K5/K3/K1/645z battery

Remember, the K200d had a dedicated grip too, so I wouldn't say that suggests flagship.

IMO it's really just the price!

**boriscleto** · 01-26-2017, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

What I'm saying is that, perhaps, their APS-C flagship is no longer a $1100-$1200 MSRP camera - and the compromises it brings. This is indeed a mid-range camera, maybe for the APS-C flagship they're targeting higher?
Not like I know.

$1500 would be between the KP and the K-1...and 6 months from now the KP will be below $1000.

Kunzite · 01-26-2017, 12:30 PM

And not up to D500's level, which is difficult to compete with. Yes, that might be the sweet spot.

normhead · 01-26-2017, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

And not up to D500's level, which is difficult to compete with. Yes, that might be the sweet spot.

Does Pentax actually have the capability to produce a D500 level camera?

I suspect not, personally.

01-26-2017, 11:01 AM - 1 Like	#318
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	As an aside, I wish Ricoh would decide on where it wants the Liveview button/switch to live... EDIT: As I think about it, I think the KP's switch solution is nice, because it will be possible to turn on the camera and have it go directly into liveview (if the switch was left in LV position). On the K-3, going from OFF to Liveview shooting always requires two actions: turn-on, then hit the LV button... Last edited by Doundounba; 01-26-2017 at 11:47 AM.

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01-26-2017, 10:48 AM	#316
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by LFLee KP: priced at flagship apsc but it's not flagship apsc? points that support it is a flagship: 1. price 2. dedicated hand grip points that support it is not a flagship: 1. on board flash 2. no top led 3. not using K5/K3/K1/645z battery Unit volume down 50% = prices up 50%

01-26-2017, 10:51 AM - 1 Like	#317
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by monochrome Unit volume down 50% = prices up 50% Same as lingerie.

01-26-2017, 11:08 AM	#319
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Mistral75 Same as lingerie. I thought Ricoh sold off that division...

01-26-2017, 11:25 AM	#320
reduno Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central NY, USA Posts: 965	Originally posted by Doundounba As an aside, I wish Ricoh would decide on where it wants the Liveview button/switch to live... Hopefully away from the 4-way controller buttons (like the K-3). Iv'e hit it too many times by accident on the K-7/K-5 layout.

01-26-2017, 11:26 AM	#321
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite I thought Ricoh sold off that division... . Only the outlets.

01-26-2017, 11:30 AM	#322
lightbox Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 599	Originally posted by Doundounba As an aside, I wish Ricoh would decide on where it wants the Liveview button/switch to live... Also the green button keeps moving, and the exposure mode dial can't decide whether it wants to be on the right or the left.

01-26-2017, 11:42 AM	#323
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by yygomez I just wonder if they are going to kill the evolution of the K7-K5ii-K3 APS-C bodies in favor of this new one? Maybe they just want to leave alone the K1 at the top end? For me the K5ii body ergonomics was close to perfect... They did with the KP what I had expected them to do with the K-70 - from the front, ignoring the grip the camera has a definite family resemblance to the K-1, and completely different from modern Canikon entries. Someone should be able to tell its Pentax even if they can't read the name. Compare camera dimensions side by side

01-26-2017, 11:46 AM	#324
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Kunzite What he said ^^ I'm guessing that Pentax/Ricoh Imaging is reevaluating what a Pentax APS-C flagship means. A single card slot and 8 RAW frame buffer. Mid-range, not flagship... So unless Ricoh wants to be an extremely niche company there will be a 4th K-mount body in the lineup...

01-26-2017, 12:08 PM	#325
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by boriscleto 8 RAW frame buffer. Ricoh want's only sensible people who don't use there camera in machine gun mode to buy this camera.

01-26-2017, 12:21 PM	#326
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	What I'm saying is that, perhaps, their APS-C flagship is no longer a $1100-$1200 MSRP camera - and the compromises it brings. This is indeed a mid-range camera, maybe for the APS-C flagship they're targeting higher? Not like I know.

01-26-2017, 12:22 PM	#327
Quicksand Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Ohio (formerly SF Bay Area) Posts: 1,519	Originally posted by LFLee KP: priced at flagship apsc but it's not flagship apsc? points that support it is a flagship: 1. price 2. dedicated hand grip points that support it is not a flagship: 1. on board flash 2. no top led 3. not using K5/K3/K1/645z battery Remember, the K200d had a dedicated grip too, so I wouldn't say that suggests flagship. IMO it's really just the price!

01-26-2017, 12:27 PM	#328
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Kunzite What I'm saying is that, perhaps, their APS-C flagship is no longer a $1100-$1200 MSRP camera - and the compromises it brings. This is indeed a mid-range camera, maybe for the APS-C flagship they're targeting higher? Not like I know. $1500 would be between the KP and the K-1...and 6 months from now the KP will be below $1000.

01-26-2017, 12:30 PM	#329
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	And not up to D500's level, which is difficult to compete with. Yes, that might be the sweet spot.

01-26-2017, 12:55 PM	#330
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Kunzite And not up to D500's level, which is difficult to compete with. Yes, that might be the sweet spot. Does Pentax actually have the capability to produce a D500 level camera? I suspect not, personally.