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beholder3 · 02-10-2017, 09:51 AM

For all those who discussed and complained about naming conventions and numbering and unclear lines in the lineup:
Canon follows Pentax again with The EOS 77D which fits... ehm ... fits ... well ... nowhere:

Canon EOS 77D DSLR camera | Photo Rumors

So they follow up the 80D with a poorer 77D.

Not to mention the crippled M5 is now the M6.

Just call it "camera" and not worry about lines.

Glorfindelrb · 02-10-2017, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by squareeyes

ES versus SR: Read the note about image distortion. When SR is activated the sensor moves while the exposure is made. it is similar to the Jelly effect in video

The Jelly effect is due to a moving image during readout ... Moving the sensor to compensate the movement of the camera has no link to this...

Originally posted by ffking

does that mean that in camera SR is a major factor holding video back?

No, the only issue with SR and video is eventually heating as it is harder to cool a sensor levitating on a small plate. But it was working well in the k5 even with SR on.
It has been removed because of the SR noise.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-10-2017, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by beholder3

So they follow up the 80D with a poorer 77D.

Well 77 is less then 80.......

Zygonyx · 02-10-2017, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by beholder3

....
Just call it "camera" and not worry about lines.

+ just buy it, because Canon is world's leading photog brand.

As simple as panurgistic followers logics.

Works better and better, together with humanity's backward movement.

beholder3 · 02-15-2017, 07:31 AM

Ok, so now we know that the Pentax KP actually offers electronic shutter also in OVF mode:

You Tube

we also know, we can use 1/24000 in viewfinder mode.

For those taking images in summertime outside with wide apertures, that is equivalent to the camera offering ISO 33 as lowest ISO setting. Pretty neat for taking images of your girlie in the summerdress against the sun with shallow DoF.

olipaba · 02-15-2017, 08:46 AM

I'd wish for a version without the flash but with build in gps...
sorry if it was mentioned before and I do know about the gps unite...
but for someone that travels a lot the build in gps is just awesome and from the size of the kp it is just a great travel camera with the primes....

just hoping and wishing....

seacapt · 02-16-2017, 09:00 PM - **2 Likes**

This actually seems like the Pentax I've been hoping for. Small size , relatively high MP sensor (although I still think full frame is the answer), reportedly good low light / high ISO image quality , not alot of usless BS features and they put a flash back on it. .

edri · 03-05-2017, 01:14 PM

In features description " When shooting a fast-moving subject in the electronic shutter mode, the subject may appear to be distorted."
Why is the subject distorted?

**lithedreamer** · 03-05-2017, 01:29 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by edri

In features description " When shooting a fast-moving subject in the electronic shutter mode, the subject may appear to be distorted."
Why is the subject distorted?

The electronic shutter divides the sensor into lines and scans them, sort of like how modern TVs work. If your subject is moving fast enough, there'll be a noticeable 'bend' in it. The example I've seen was a propellor that had very curved blades in the ES photo.

apete · 03-05-2017, 01:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by edri

In features description " When shooting a fast-moving subject in the electronic shutter mode, the subject may appear to be distorted."
Why is the subject distorted?

Because of a rolling shutter effect.

Update: I am late again. This time lithedreamer was faster :-)

thibs · 03-05-2017, 11:07 PM

Google image and rolling shutter as search termes will cet you a load of funny ridiculous images

shiner · 03-06-2017, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by seacapt

This actually seems like the Pentax I've been hoping for. Small size , relatively high MP sensor (although I still think full frame is the answer), reportedly good low light / high ISO image quality , not alot of usless BS features and they put a flash back on it. .

Although I'll keep my K3 around for airshow action and such with the larger buffer (but I'll have the KP there so I will no doubt check it out for that), I'm just crazy pleased with the KP so far. All of those little incremental improvements together give it a rather dramatic edge that I didn't even expect. It's great past the numbers and IMO they have built a really useful machine.

edri · 03-06-2017, 06:54 AM - **1 Like**

Because of this rolling shutter it seems that 1/24000s is not so useful for freezing movement.

Kunzite · 03-06-2017, 06:58 AM

Do you do that with a shutter?

edri · 03-06-2017, 11:07 AM

It was actually a question. I forgot questioned in previous posting.

02-10-2017, 10:16 AM	#572
Glorfindelrb Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 364	Originally posted by squareeyes ES versus SR: Read the note about image distortion. When SR is activated the sensor moves while the exposure is made. it is similar to the Jelly effect in video The Jelly effect is due to a moving image during readout ... Moving the sensor to compensate the movement of the camera has no link to this... Originally posted by ffking does that mean that in camera SR is a major factor holding video back? No, the only issue with SR and video is eventually heating as it is harder to cool a sensor levitating on a small plate. But it was working well in the k5 even with SR on. It has been removed because of the SR noise. Last edited by Glorfindelrb; 02-10-2017 at 10:34 AM.

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02-10-2017, 09:51 AM	#571
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	For all those who discussed and complained about naming conventions and numbering and unclear lines in the lineup: Canon follows Pentax again with The EOS 77D which fits... ehm ... fits ... well ... nowhere: Canon EOS 77D DSLR camera \| Photo Rumors So they follow up the 80D with a poorer 77D. Not to mention the crippled M5 is now the M6. Just call it "camera" and not worry about lines.

02-10-2017, 12:32 PM	#573
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by beholder3 So they follow up the 80D with a poorer 77D. Well 77 is less then 80.......

02-10-2017, 02:22 PM	#574
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by beholder3 .... Just call it "camera" and not worry about lines. + just buy it, because Canon is world's leading photog brand. As simple as panurgistic followers logics. Works better and better, together with humanity's backward movement.

02-15-2017, 08:46 AM	#576
olipaba New Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Urubamba / the sacred valley of the inkas Posts: 7	I'd wish for a version without the flash but with build in gps... sorry if it was mentioned before and I do know about the gps unite... but for someone that travels a lot the build in gps is just awesome and from the size of the kp it is just a great travel camera with the primes.... just hoping and wishing....

02-16-2017, 09:00 PM - 2 Likes	#577
seacapt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Carolina , USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,271	This actually seems like the Pentax I've been hoping for. Small size , relatively high MP sensor (although I still think full frame is the answer), reportedly good low light / high ISO image quality , not alot of usless BS features and they put a flash back on it. .

03-05-2017, 01:14 PM	#578
edri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: walking in the air Posts: 1,315	In features description " When shooting a fast-moving subject in the electronic shutter mode, the subject may appear to be distorted." Why is the subject distorted?

03-05-2017, 01:29 PM - 1 Like	#579
lithedreamer Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,799	Originally posted by edri In features description " When shooting a fast-moving subject in the electronic shutter mode, the subject may appear to be distorted." Why is the subject distorted? The electronic shutter divides the sensor into lines and scans them, sort of like how modern TVs work. If your subject is moving fast enough, there'll be a noticeable 'bend' in it. The example I've seen was a propellor that had very curved blades in the ES photo.

03-05-2017, 01:38 PM - 1 Like	#580
apete Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 249	Originally posted by edri In features description " When shooting a fast-moving subject in the electronic shutter mode, the subject may appear to be distorted." Why is the subject distorted? Because of a rolling shutter effect. Update: I am late again. This time lithedreamer was faster :-)

03-05-2017, 11:07 PM	#581
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Google image and rolling shutter as search termes will cet you a load of funny ridiculous images

03-06-2017, 01:46 AM	#582
shiner Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N GA USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,127	Originally posted by seacapt This actually seems like the Pentax I've been hoping for. Small size , relatively high MP sensor (although I still think full frame is the answer), reportedly good low light / high ISO image quality , not alot of usless BS features and they put a flash back on it. . Although I'll keep my K3 around for airshow action and such with the larger buffer (but I'll have the KP there so I will no doubt check it out for that), I'm just crazy pleased with the KP so far. All of those little incremental improvements together give it a rather dramatic edge that I didn't even expect. It's great past the numbers and IMO they have built a really useful machine.

03-06-2017, 06:54 AM - 1 Like	#583
edri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: walking in the air Posts: 1,315	Because of this rolling shutter it seems that 1/24000s is not so useful for freezing movement.

03-06-2017, 06:58 AM	#584
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Do you do that with a shutter?

03-06-2017, 11:07 AM	#585
edri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: walking in the air Posts: 1,315	It was actually a question. I forgot questioned in previous posting.

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