Seven months before the successor of the K3II?

**boriscleto** · 05-24-2017, 04:32 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Buy a Landrover. You'll never be disappointed. There's always a leak, somewhere under my Landrover.

A joke I heard once...Why did the British never make a Personal Computer? Because they couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil...

**RGlasel** · 05-24-2017, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Because they couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil...

Car dealership I worked at once upon a time acquired a Model T they wanted to display on a stand in the showroom. It didn't have to do anything but sit there without moving, maybe let someone start it once in a while and put it in a parade twice a year. No amount of RTV sealant or cork could seal the engine and the sales department quickly decided that putting a dark absorbant sheet underneath it wasn't an option, so the nice shiny and black Model T went back out to storage.

MarkJerling · 05-24-2017, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by RGlasel

Car dealership I worked at once upon a time acquired a Model T they wanted to display on a stand in the showroom. It didn't have to do anything but sit there without moving, maybe let someone start it once in a while and put it in a parade twice a year. No amount of RTV sealant or cork could seal the engine and the sales department quickly decided that putting a dark absorbant sheet underneath it wasn't an option, so the nice shiny and black Model T went back out to storage.

T's are notorious for leaks. The leaks can be found - often the sump bolts - but it takes a fair bit of effort to stop every leak on a Model T.

beholder3 · 05-25-2017, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Maybe. But, I still don't expect it this year.

This will be a quiet year. I have good hopes for 2018, however...

+1

I think they will wait and watch the market this year and then decide if and how they continue.

Whatever they will do, times for "cheap" options are over. They probably will prefer shedding the cheapo user types than appease them.

fsge · 05-25-2017, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I don't expect it this year.

That is terrible news if correct.
K-1 is out for quite some time now, a part of resources has been allocated to K2 (?) since then I suppose... K-p propably sucked up some as well

**beachgardener** · 05-25-2017, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Likely this year. September/October That's four years after the K-3 and 2,5 after the K3 II.

leak? yes most likely, an announcement then for Q1 2018 release, but lets hope they surprise us earlier

D1N0 · 05-25-2017, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by beachgardener

leak? yes most likely, an announcement then for Q1 2018 release, but lets hope they surprise us earlier

Because of what started this thread: Il cohabitera pendant six mois avec le K-3 II avant que celui-ci ne prenne sa retraite et soit remplacé. (It (KP) will co-exist with the K-3 II for six months which will then be discontinued and replaced).
That information must come from Ricoh France who were probably not supposed to say anything about the K-3 II successor but did anyway

**beachgardener** · 05-25-2017, 03:58 AM

OK, bring it on Pentax, bring it on, I'm ready

Originally posted by D1N0

(It (KP) will co-exist with the K-3 II for six months which will then be discontinued and replaced)

Kunzite · 05-25-2017, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by fsge

That is terrible news if correct.
K-1 is out for quite some time now, a part of resources has been allocated to K2 (?) since then I suppose... K-p propably sucked up some as well

It's not necessarily terrible... it depends on what they're working on.
Would it be better to have yet another minor K-3 update this year? Maybe not.

fsge · 05-25-2017, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

It's not necessarily terrible... it depends on what they're working on.
Would it be better to have yet another minor K-3 update this year? Maybe not.

I suppose this minor update is called K-p so already available...
I would buy a K3 ii in the mean time if it got a built in flash but wont because of that.
I have a 150-450 that I would like to use with a brand new body, waiting for one year already.

lukulele · 05-25-2017, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

A joke I heard once...Why did the British never make a Personal Computer? Because they couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil...

Or, Lucas(The Prince of Darkness) made the electronics. Speaking from MG/A-H experience back in the seventies.

D1N0 · 05-25-2017, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Would it be better to have yet another minor K-3 update this year?

They've had over two years (probably more because development probably started right away after the K-3 came out) to work on a new model. So bringing it out this year and minor update are not necessarily the same thing. It all depends on wether the new generation SAFOX AF is ready. A better sensor and 4k processing chips are available. SR is up to 5 stops now. Noise processing has been added. They could have been working on a touch interface for a long time and movable lcd's are no longer a wr problem (have not been since the 645z). The new body will probably look more like the K-1 with a small top lcd.

Kunzite · 05-25-2017, 06:03 AM

A Samsung official once said it took about 3 years to make the NX-1; and your list of improvements - a new generation AF, a new to Pentax sensor, new processor - is quite extensive.

D1N0 · 05-25-2017, 04:36 PM

Samsung had to make it from scratch and they have had more than three years since 2013

Zygonyx · 05-25-2017, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

Samsung had to make it from scratch

Not exactly : they learned a lot from their partnership with Hoya/Pentax during 2007-2010 period.
At least re. solid camera manufacturing, ergonomics (btw, not quite enough i believe), image processing and optics engineering...

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05-24-2017, 04:32 PM - 1 Like	#271
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by MarkJerling Buy a Landrover. You'll never be disappointed. There's always a leak, somewhere under my Landrover. A joke I heard once...Why did the British never make a Personal Computer? Because they couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil...

05-24-2017, 04:51 PM	#272
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,228	Originally posted by boriscleto Because they couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil... Car dealership I worked at once upon a time acquired a Model T they wanted to display on a stand in the showroom. It didn't have to do anything but sit there without moving, maybe let someone start it once in a while and put it in a parade twice a year. No amount of RTV sealant or cork could seal the engine and the sales department quickly decided that putting a dark absorbant sheet underneath it wasn't an option, so the nice shiny and black Model T went back out to storage.

05-24-2017, 11:18 PM	#273
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Originally posted by RGlasel Car dealership I worked at once upon a time acquired a Model T they wanted to display on a stand in the showroom. It didn't have to do anything but sit there without moving, maybe let someone start it once in a while and put it in a parade twice a year. No amount of RTV sealant or cork could seal the engine and the sales department quickly decided that putting a dark absorbant sheet underneath it wasn't an option, so the nice shiny and black Model T went back out to storage. T's are notorious for leaks. The leaks can be found - often the sump bolts - but it takes a fair bit of effort to stop every leak on a Model T.

05-25-2017, 12:09 AM	#274
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by Kunzite Maybe. But, I still don't expect it this year. This will be a quiet year. I have good hopes for 2018, however... +1 I think they will wait and watch the market this year and then decide if and how they continue. Whatever they will do, times for "cheap" options are over. They probably will prefer shedding the cheapo user types than appease them.

05-25-2017, 02:28 AM	#275
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by Kunzite I don't expect it this year. That is terrible news if correct. K-1 is out for quite some time now, a part of resources has been allocated to K2 (?) since then I suppose... K-p propably sucked up some as well

05-25-2017, 03:29 AM	#276
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by D1N0 Likely this year. September/October That's four years after the K-3 and 2,5 after the K3 II. leak? yes most likely, an announcement then for Q1 2018 release, but lets hope they surprise us earlier

05-25-2017, 03:49 AM	#277
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by beachgardener leak? yes most likely, an announcement then for Q1 2018 release, but lets hope they surprise us earlier Because of what started this thread: Il cohabitera pendant six mois avec le K-3 II avant que celui-ci ne prenne sa retraite et soit remplacé. (It (KP) will co-exist with the K-3 II for six months which will then be discontinued and replaced). That information must come from Ricoh France who were probably not supposed to say anything about the K-3 II successor but did anyway

05-25-2017, 03:58 AM	#278
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	OK, bring it on Pentax, bring it on, I'm ready Originally posted by D1N0 (It (KP) will co-exist with the K-3 II for six months which will then be discontinued and replaced)

05-25-2017, 04:30 AM	#279
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by fsge That is terrible news if correct. K-1 is out for quite some time now, a part of resources has been allocated to K2 (?) since then I suppose... K-p propably sucked up some as well It's not necessarily terrible... it depends on what they're working on. Would it be better to have yet another minor K-3 update this year? Maybe not.

05-25-2017, 05:04 AM	#280
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by Kunzite It's not necessarily terrible... it depends on what they're working on. Would it be better to have yet another minor K-3 update this year? Maybe not. I suppose this minor update is called K-p so already available... I would buy a K3 ii in the mean time if it got a built in flash but wont because of that. I have a 150-450 that I would like to use with a brand new body, waiting for one year already.

05-25-2017, 05:37 AM	#281
lukulele Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Blue Ridge Escarpment, North Carolina, US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,850	Originally posted by boriscleto A joke I heard once...Why did the British never make a Personal Computer? Because they couldn't figure out how to make it leak oil... Or, Lucas(The Prince of Darkness) made the electronics. Speaking from MG/A-H experience back in the seventies.

05-25-2017, 05:58 AM	#282
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by Kunzite Would it be better to have yet another minor K-3 update this year? They've had over two years (probably more because development probably started right away after the K-3 came out) to work on a new model. So bringing it out this year and minor update are not necessarily the same thing. It all depends on wether the new generation SAFOX AF is ready. A better sensor and 4k processing chips are available. SR is up to 5 stops now. Noise processing has been added. They could have been working on a touch interface for a long time and movable lcd's are no longer a wr problem (have not been since the 645z). The new body will probably look more like the K-1 with a small top lcd.

05-25-2017, 06:03 AM	#283
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	A Samsung official once said it took about 3 years to make the NX-1; and your list of improvements - a new generation AF, a new to Pentax sensor, new processor - is quite extensive.

05-25-2017, 04:36 PM	#284
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Samsung had to make it from scratch and they have had more than three years since 2013

05-25-2017, 10:58 PM	#285
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by D1N0 Samsung had to make it from scratch Not exactly : they learned a lot from their partnership with Hoya/Pentax during 2007-2010 period. At least re. solid camera manufacturing, ergonomics (btw, not quite enough i believe), image processing and optics engineering...