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06-07-2017, 11:43 PM - 1 Like   #316
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QuoteOriginally posted by asahi man Quote
Is a price around 1700 - 2000 $ OK for an upper APS-C class than K-3 ll line?Best regards

For me paying 1700 USD is very acceptable IF the final output of the body in terms of performance of AF and video capabilities will be at least at the same level as XT-2 or better.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
That was my point. It is a workhorse, knows no tricks, can't trot, sidestep, prance or roll; only knows how to race between A and B if you point it in the right direction. And that's it.
And that's good, if you want to work with it. Pentax cameras don't "trot, sidestep, prance or roll" either; they're tools - and very capable ones.
Which car would you choose:

IMO Pentax could benefit from a "workhorse" camera, a step-up in performance from the K-3 II. It would have to be expensive; just like everyone else's "workhorse" APS-C and m4/3 camera. Or it would not be at all.
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I heard that Uncle Martin was famous for some trick with a sabre

Btw I just ordered my K-s2 to roll over, but it's kinda inattentive, or ignoring me... No tricks from Pentax camera just like Nikon
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QuoteOriginally posted by Uluru Quote
That was my point. It is a workhorse, knows no tricks, can't trot, sidestep, prance or roll; only knows how to race between A and B if you point it in the right direction. And that's it. Nikon cameras today are same as Nikon cameras from 2005, 2007, 2010, etc. Most unimaginative cameras in the known universe.
Except for the very nice Nikon F801/N8008 released in 1988. That was a game-changer.


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06-13-2017, 12:57 PM   #320
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QuoteOriginally posted by asahi man Quote
Is a price around 1700 - 2000 $€ OK for an upper APS-C class than K-3 ll line?
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excuse my sarcasm, but for what exactly 1700-2000$?
for 2 extra wheels?
for enhanced dark frame subtraction trickery?

maybe we get a card slot upgrade... microSD instead of SD .... *ROFL*
2 fps burst rate?
only 1 AF point?

What will it be...? I am so curious just like a child before christmas.

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QuoteOriginally posted by camyum Quote
excuse my sarcasm, but for what exactly 1700-2000$?
for 2 extra wheels?
for enhanced dark frame subtraction trickery?

maybe we get a card slot upgrade... microSD instead of SD .... *ROFL*
2 fps burst rate?
only 1 AF point?

What will it be...? I am so curious just like a child before christmas.
Speed Boriscletoing?
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.@asahi man For $1,700 - $2,000 (esp. at the high end) they'd better give us the best of everything in the K-1, everything in the KP, the K-70 accelerator, USB-lll, a huge buffer and 8+ fps.

And a real advancement in AF.
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I have no clue about its actual price, but IMHO Pentax would not ask $1700-2000 for a slightly updated K-3.

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All this doesn't sound credible imho.
Wait and see...
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The rumour started from a wrong end, the price, without any reference or hint as to camera's possible performance and equipment.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
USB-lll
Did you mean SD UHS-II @ 300Mbps?
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The rumour started from a wrong end, the price, without any reference or hint as to camera's possible performance and equipment.
Maybe they are inquiring information to start development tomorrow?
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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
Did you mean SD UHS-II @ 300Mbps?
I think he means both USB3 and SD UHS-II.
K-1 has USB2, K3II has USB3, but both UHS-I support.
Expecting the UHS-III would be a fine stretch of imagination, but highly unlikely.

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Maybe they are inquiring information to start development tomorrow?
I think they might have developed a few possible iterations of the camera — in terms of exacting features — and will decide which one will fit the bill and is best candidate for release.

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If I look at this issue then two things come to my mind as why there is little information and only the strange question about could be almost as expensive as the K-1 (like minus 10%).

scenario A
What future would this new camera need to justify this hi price? It lacks the larger sensor of the K-1, but gets in shops for almost the same price. So what would it need that compensates for that in technology that isn't in any current Pentax camera? That would probably speed.....
* speedy auto focus and tracking
* speedy image handling and writing to card
* speedy handling of pixels to have 4k video
So these things take time. But they are not exclusively for very expensive camera's by the time it will see market.

scenario B
Ricoh-Imaging knows how to make camera's, so that would not be the issue. This hi-end camera is only for a small group of customers. Those who can afford a K-1, have a nice set of lenses but also would like a hi-end aps-c camera to go with that. A camera that is faster working (well 8,3fps is no issue, smaller files of 20-24 mp can go faster) and gives them options that the K-1 would miss. I don't see any issue in this for Pentax to make. So where is the problem?
* This is a camera that would run in production for like 4 years. We are now used to that. This is a camera for a small crowd. Making a camera has costs for development, cost for making production ready and cost for the actual manufactoring. So if you estimated to sell like 50.000 units of this camera and start with an initial production of 2500 units a month.........then it would probably cost between 1700-2000 USD.....

Looking at how sales of dslr is developing in Japan http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201704_e.pdf I would say that maybe someone is giving this project a red flag for the time being.


We will see when time is coming.....
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
If I look at this issue then two things come to my mind as why there is little information and only the strange question about could be almost as expensive as the K-1 (like minus 10%).

scenario A
What future would this new camera need to justify this hi price? It lacks the larger sensor of the K-1, but gets in shops for almost the same price. So what would it need that compensates for that in technology that isn't in any current Pentax camera? That would probably speed.....
* speedy auto focus and tracking
* speedy image handling and writing to card
* speedy handling of pixels to have 4k video
So these things take time. But they are not exclusively for very expensive camera's by the time it will see market.

scenario B
Ricoh-Imaging knows how to make camera's, so that would not be the issue. This hi-end camera is only for a small group of customers. Those who can afford a K-1, have a nice set of lenses but also would like a hi-end aps-c camera to go with that. A camera that is faster working (well 8,3fps is no issue, smaller files of 20-24 mp can go faster) and gives them options that the K-1 would miss. I don't see any issue in this for Pentax to make. So where is the problem?
* This is a camera that would run in production for like 4 years. We are now used to that. This is a camera for a small crowd. Making a camera has costs for development, cost for making production ready and cost for the actual manufactoring. So if you estimated to sell like 50.000 units of this camera and start with an initial production of 2500 units a month.........then it would probably cost between 1700-2000 USD.....

Looking at how sales of dslr is developing in Japan http://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201704_e.pdf I would say that maybe someone is giving this project a red flag for the time being.


We will see when time is coming.....
No idea what will happen. But perhaps this isn't the moment for expensive flagship cameras predicated on a life of 3-4 years. The market is swirling and whirling so it's possible that in 3-4 years DSLR sales will have shrunk down to much more specialist areas and new mirrorless offerings from Canon, Nikon, Sony et al will be taking the place of today's standard APS-C ones.Possible, too, that Pentax will be facing re-aligned competitors via mergers or withdrawals. I can't see what's wrong with the KP myself. And there's room for a KP++ in a year, probably. The KP-type of camera perhaps don't commit Pentax to anything too long term while keeping some revenue coming in and keeping up the sale of APS-C lens stocks.

I'd have though the big and costly question facing Pentax is what to do about mirrorless. Everything else pales by comparison.Until we know whether and how Pentax are going to jump, everything else is pretty unimportant. Quite a few folks might be rather miffed to sink $$$ into a K3++ camera in late 2017 only to find the whole thing trumped by a new mirrorless line within twelve or so months of spending all that money. Same applies to lenses. Ideal for Pentax would be to sell down the APS-C lens stocks at full price until there aren't many left. KP and K70 are likely fine vehicles for that. Then, with little or no old stock to write off, a new generation of lenses with mirrorless in mind will make better economic sense. We don't know anything about the position of Pentax's stock of lenses or how they are valuing them in their accounts. Of course, what do I know - a new K3-type flagship could easily be announced in a few weeks.
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