[Mistral75]

Do you know that Nikon 7500 doesn't accept battery grips? Just sayin'

[thibs]

4k will come soon IMO.
If Nikon did it, their CPU could do it. And Pentax uses the same CPU. It will probably be so-so quality and nitrate but it will come. Specsheet checked way.

[monochrome]

I don't understand the emphasis people put on 2 SD slots, as they currently work. If you don't get any extra write speed [because they're not writing in parallel], you're getting the same usage you get with 1 slot, except for safety, workflow, or other specialist scenarios. Better off asking Pentax for parallel write on the slots, or 90MB/s write speed, or a bigger buffer to match those 8fps.


Ricoh says they're going for the high-end market. Prove it. Give me high-end tracking AF (with a realistic price) on a KP or K-1 and I'll buy it. The rest of the specs are mostly pretty good, by current standards. And things like IBIS and a Pixel Shift that goes for IQ instead of IS(ize) show their intent on improving our "fun with photography".
Just don't mistake high-end market with "high-end price with the same stuff inside". Please...

As always with Pentax, people demand everything Nikon or Canon offers (including support and marketing) but they aren't willing to pay what Nikon and Canon charge for all that goodness. Is it any wonder Pentax choose to build a competitive stills image camera but keeps the price low by using older tech for the peripheral features - and doesn't spend money on marketing and support outside Japan?

[GlassJunkie]

I don't understand the emphasis people put on 2 SD slots, as they currently work. If you don't get any extra write speed [because they're not writing in parallel], you're getting the same usage you get with 1 slot, except for safety, workflow, or other specialist scenarios. Better off asking Pentax for parallel write on the slots, or 90MB/s write speed, or a bigger buffer to match those 8fps.

Ricoh says they're going for the high-end market. Prove it. Give me high-end tracking AF (with a realistic price) on a KP or K-1 and I'll buy it. The rest of the specs are mostly pretty good, by current standards. And things like IBIS and a Pixel Shift that goes for IQ instead of IS(ize) show their intent on improving our "fun with photography".
Just don't mistake high-end market with "high-end price with the same stuff inside". Please...

For us, 2 SD slots allows JPG and Raw with the same shutter pull, our workflow likes it.... We are probably in the minority... Definitely want the buffer larger, we surely agree. Tracking is nice to have, birdie snappers will approve (us). Pixel shift with a MOV algorithm would be nice (but its got to take a honker of a CPU). For me, I want better AF(who doesn't, apple pie), but more points and user adjustable control limits and precision. As many know, CaNikon AF may be faster, but over the years many have looked at speed vs clarity. I would love multiple AF modes (phase/contrast mode) across views and videos.

I actually believe slower/ limited AF makes me a better shooter, and QS/QF on lenses is used more than not other than BIFs.

We use dedicated video cameras for motion, but I understand the "wider audience". For me, good gaskets, big batteries, fast read/write rates, would like onboard GPS and wireless, would pass on touchscreen (big nose, high cheeks)...

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[sculptor666]

you did say the D7500 was better.

where?

i just listed the stuff that the nikon has and the k-3 doesn't, since you compared the two... but left out all of those things.


if all my gear got stolen, i'd get another k-1... or maybe a used 645z with less lenses. also, if they sold a k-1 that was cheaper and only had manual mode and nothing else, i'd buy it in a heartbeat, i want the best image quality period, don't care about much else... but i think i'm in the MINORITY. i know a few people who bought their first dslr within the last year... they just wanted something better than their phone that "does good video." they all went with nikon. for newcomers, things like pixelshift and astrotracer make much less sense than touchscreens and 4k.

[normhead]

where?

i just listed the stuff that the nikon has and the k-3 doesn't, since you compared the two... but left out all of those things.


if all my gear got stolen, i'd get another k-1... or maybe a used 645z with less lenses. also, if they sold a k-1 that was cheaper and only had manual mode and nothing else, i'd buy it in a heartbeat, i want the best image quality period, don't care about much else... but i think i'm in the MINORITY. i know a few people who bought their first dslr within the last year... they just wanted something better than their phone that "does good video." they all went with nikon. for newcomers, things like pixelshift and astrotracer make much less sense than touchscreens and 4k.

And I don't think you have any idea what the majority or minority opinion is. There are tons of possible reasons why 1st time users don't buy Pentax, and a lot of it has to do with lack of entry level cameras in brick and mortar stores.

How is listing the things the Nikon does better without listing the things the Pentax does better a useful contribution? Especially when one of the things you listed as better was in error. I notice of the things you listed as better, not one pertains to higher IQ.

[distudio]

How is listing the things the Nikon does better without listing the things the Pentax does better a useful contribution? Especially when one of the things you listed as better was in error. I notice of the things you listed as better, not one pertains to higher IQ.

Indeed Pentax excels at delivering peak IQ shooting still life.

[farhagh]

Do you know that Nikon 7500 doesn't accept battery grips? Just sayin'

Now that Nikon has crippled the D7xxx in many areas such as build quality, and if Pentax keeps the K3iii flagship at the same level (which I guess is a fair assumption), it will be more like the old days, when K10D was between Nikons D80 and D200. I believe in general we may consider the coming K3iii above Nikon D7500 and below D500.

[mee]

Now that Nikon has crippled the D7xxx in many areas such as build quality, and if Pentax keeps the K3iii flagship at the same level (which I guess is a fair assumption), it will be more like the old days, when K10D was between Nikons D80 and D200. I believe in general we may consider the coming K3iii above Nikon D7500 and below D500.

Probably not in AF tracking though.. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on that aspect. Yet hopefully it does have a tweaked sensor from the KP and similar ISO and DR abilities. Could make one potent crop body.


Either way I think a lot of us are interested in it.. even if just to show that Ricoh is still supporting the Pentax brand with new products.

[farhagh]

Probably not in AF tracking though.. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much on that aspect. Yet hopefully it does have a tweaked sensor from the KP and similar ISO and DR abilities. Could make one potent crop body.


Either way I think a lot of us are interested in it.. even if just to show that Ricoh is still supporting the Pentax brand with new products.

Oh, I meant as a whole package. Even at those old days K10D could have been behind the D80 in AF-C, or flash, etc.
The other thing is go to Nikon forums and the common belief is Nikon gets better picture from the same sensor than Pentax. For sure its the other way here. So, they may still believe their D7500 to be superior to K3iii overal.

[shardulm]

Oh, I meant as a whole package. Even at those old days K10D could have been behind the D80 in AF-C, or flash, etc.
The other thing is go to Nikon forums and the common belief is Nikon gets better picture from the same sensor than Pentax. For sure its the other way here. So, they may still believe their D7500 to be superior to K3iii overal.

So PS will kill the onpar-ness of the other brands using the same sensor won't it?

[RonHendriks1966]

I wrote this last august and combining this with the new information from Ricoh about the camera division I think I was on the right track. That new aps-c turned out to become the KP.

No idea what can be sold in the future, but concentrate on less models would be smart.
- K-mount full frame, one model (K-1)
- K-mount aps-c, one model (light weight model, but more advanced then K-70)
- 645 mount, one model.
- P&S when there is a market for GR (update with 24mp)
- Theta line, more models, each one for consumer, prosumer and professional.

I think that basicly that would be it. I think that there isn't much market for a heavy magnesium-alloy aps-c model like K-3ii between K-1 and the lower tier now K-70. Just the K-70 is to much old tech with af-module from K-5ii and metering from K-7. Pentax doesn't fill mass market, so offering anything for hi volume sales would fail. K-70 is to expensive for what it is.

I don't think we will see a K-3ii follower anytime soon.

[normhead]

I think it's important to Pentax that the KP high ISO and KP tracking algorithms make it into an 8 fps (or better) 23 shot buffer (or better) fairly soon. The tech advances have been made, they don't have a platform yet.

[The Squirrel Mafia]

After seeing how Nikon has taken a few steps backwards with the D7500 compared to the D7200 & has made the D500 their APS-C flagship, I'm beginning to wonder if Pentax will be taking a similar approach. The KP would be something similar to the D7500 where Pentax took a few steps backwards with the KP compared to the K-3II & the upcoming APS-C flagship would be something similar to the D500. Not exactly a high action sports shooter like the D500, but something more "pro" oriented with even more performance compared to the current K-3II. Although a few backward steps were taken with the KP & the D7500, a lot of new things have been introduced into these new models that their respective previous flagships didn't have. They gave up some features for other features. I find this rather interesting.

One thing is for sure. The cell phone industry has stirred up the imaging business. High end phones from Apple, Samsung, & other manufacturers are definitely giving camera makers a run for their money. I went to a Dodger's game at Dodger Stadium last week & besides me shooting with a DSLR, there was only one other person in the area I was seated in that was shooting with a Canon DSLR. I looked around the entire "All-You-Can-Eat" pavilion & no one else had a DSLR or mirrorless camera. Everyone else was firing away with their phones. Out of the thousands of people that I saw before & after the game, maybe 6 other people had some kind of DSLR or mirrorless.

A lot of people I know don't want to bother shooting DSLRs, P&S, or mirrorless cameras. The funny part is that they totally love the images I get out of my K-50 & the majority agree that their phones can't capture the detail that a "real" camera can capture. Some of them even have DSLR cameras that they don't use anymore 'cause they find them too complicated. They prefer the simplicity of their phone & the ability to shoot a photo or video & post it instantly onto one of their "social" sites.

[RonHendriks1966]

After seeing how Nikon has taken a few steps backwards with the D7500 compared to the D7200 & has made the D500 their APS-C flagship, I'm beginning to wonder if Pentax will be taking a similar approach. The KP would be something similar to the D7500 where Pentax took a few steps backwards with the KP compared to the K-3II & the upcoming APS-C flagship would be something similar to the D500. Not exactly a high action sports shooter like the D500, but something more "pro" oriented with even more performance compared to the current K-3II. Although a few backward steps were taken with the KP & the D7500, a lot of new things have been introduced into these new models that their respective previous flagships didn't have. They gave up some features for other features. I find this rather interesting.

One thing is for sure. The cell phone industry has stirred up the imaging business. High end phones from Apple, Samsung, & other manufacturers are definitely giving camera makers a run for their money. I went to a Dodger's game at Dodger Stadium last week & besides me shooting with a DSLR, there was only one other person in the area I was seated in that was shooting with a Canon DSLR. I looked around the entire "All-You-Can-Eat" pavilion & no one else had a DSLR or mirrorless camera. Everyone else was firing away with their phones. Out of the thousands of people that I saw before & after the game, maybe 6 other people had some kind of DSLR or mirrorless.

A lot of people I know don't want to bother shooting DSLRs, P&S, or mirrorless cameras. The funny part is that they totally love the images I get out of my K-50 & the majority agree that their phones can't capture the detail that a "real" camera can capture. Some of them even have DSLR cameras that they don't use anymore 'cause they find them too complicated. They prefer the simplicity of their phone & the ability to shoot a photo or video & post it instantly onto one of their "social" sites.

Why do all the work on making some images or video yourself wennen you can find it all online.
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This is a serious issue. Overhere prices for body only.

- K-50 for 399 euro
- K-S2 for 599 euro
- K-70 for 699 euro
- K-3ii for 949 euro
- K-3ii Silver for 999 euro
- KP for 1299 euro
- K-3 Silver Limited for 1499 euro
- K-3iii for 1699 euro ?????
- K-1 for 2099 euro

That will be difficult to find buyers for that K-3iii

A price hike today. The K-1 is now 2299 euro and the K-3ii is now 999 euro!