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08-05-2017, 09:18 PM   #1531
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QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
If you want a really good modern 50, get a new DA*55.
9 years is a pretty long period of time)

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QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
If you want a really good modern 50, get a new DA*55.
As nice as I'm sure that lens is, it is simply not the same thing.

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As nice as I'm sure that lens is, it is simply not the same thing.
Yep, smaller, cheaper, lighter and available. Plus the overall rendering is great.

This DFA50, we know it will be huge, expensive, heavy, and we hope it will render well and we don't know when it will be available. With the recent news of Ricoh having significant money issues, the new lens could be delayed or never be released.

After all such design will not sell much. It is more like to show they can do it than a pratical lens that for a 50mm could be much smaller/ligher/cheaper and even f/1.2 if they wanted.
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As nice as I'm sure that lens is, it is simply not the same thing.
All due respect, the images shared here from the DA*55 on K-1 or crop are pretty much gorgeous, and I'd love the thing to land in my kit. I just can't justify it at my level of skill and ability to make money with the thing.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
All due respect, the images shared here from the DA*55 on K-1 or crop are pretty much gorgeous, and I'd love the thing to land in my kit. I just can't justify it at my level of skill and ability to make money with the thing.
Completely agree BUT... this is NOT what a modern 50mm is going to be.
And this statement doesn't mean that this 50s rendering would be any better. Simply different.
Remember the 55 really is a portrait lens (and I mighty good one) but its aim certainly is not very high sharpness (and it's fine by me).

If someone doesn't want his/her 55mm I'd be delighted myself
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Completely agree BUT... this is NOT what a modern 50mm is going to be.
The most modern lens in the line up is the 55-300 PLM version. For the focal range and apperture it is small and light. It maybe the smallest lens of that category for a DSLR. It is smaller than equivalent legacy lenses.

The DFA goes for big is beautiful kind of design with the associated benefits and drawbacks, but there no law that say you couldn't design a small 50mm these day. After all Fuji did both design both small and large lenses in the focal range with the 56mm f/1.2 and 50mm f/2...

Hey even for the size weight, Pentax could have preferred an f/1.2 lens and that sure would have helped justify it.

If Pentax was to release a DFA L 50 f/1.7 or f/1.8 for like $350 in a small and light package comparable to FA50, it would become instantly the best seller of non kit FF lens in the lineup. It would also greatly help convince people to switch to Pentax with other key affordable lenses like 70-300, and DFA light 35, 85mm and a 24-135 3.5-5.6

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... for like $350 ...other key affordable

You have not understood the market message: Go high margin or die. The very last thing anyone should waste resources on is "affordable". OEM lenses for less than $1.000 (the cheap part of the market) are absolute not what they need.
Pentax already has an affordable DA 50, which punches above its price.


There also is a reason why neither Canon nor Nikon have any competitive 50mm primes out there. The 50/1.2 sucks as much as the 58/1.4 sucks.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Completely agree BUT... this is NOT what a modern 50mm is going to be.
And this statement doesn't mean that this 50s rendering would be any better. Simply different.
Remember the 55 really is a portrait lens (and I mighty good one) but its aim certainly is not very high sharpness (and it's fine by me).
Maybe you never tried it, or never get a decent copy, but the DA*55 is clearly a very sharp lens, from f1.8.

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Maybe you never tried it, or never get a decent copy, but the DA*55 is clearly a very sharp lens, from f1.8.
I think he is talking about corner sharpness, because a portrait lens is generally intended to have a little corner blur for better subject-isolation in the center of the frame, or trades bokeh-quality for corner sharpness (compared to a macro lens, for example), afaik.
Of course this concept changed with sigma art lenses...
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Maybe you never tried it, or never get a decent copy, but the DA*55 is clearly a very sharp lens, from f1.8.
But won't be as sharp and fast as the new 50. For some of us, the difference will be good to have.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
The most modern lens in the line up is the 55-300 PLM version. For the focal range and apperture it is small and light. It maybe the smallest lens of that category for a DSLR. It is smaller than equivalent legacy lenses.

The DFA goes for big is beautiful kind of design with the associated benefits and drawbacks, but there no law that say you couldn't design a small 50mm these day. After all Fuji did both design both small and large lenses in the focal range with the 56mm f/1.2 and 50mm f/2...

Hey even for the size weight, Pentax could have preferred an f/1.2 lens and that sure would have helped justify it.

If Pentax was to release a DFA L 50 f/1.7 or f/1.8 for like $350 in a small and light package comparable to FA50, it would become instantly the best seller of non kit FF lens in the lineup. It would also greatly help convince people to switch to Pentax with other key affordable lenses like 70-300, and DFA light 35, 85mm and a 24-135 3.5-5.6
What you're asking for is probably not possible. A lens that is lighter and smaller than the FA 50 (which is basically a plastic lens), but with higher quality optics and a price tag that is exactly the same as the current FA 50. If you want a 350 dollar lens, you get something like the FA 50. If you want a 120 dollar lens, you get something like the DA 50 f1.8.

Currently, Pentax has a DA 50 f1.8 (115 USD), 50 f1.4 (350 USD), FA 43 limited (560 USD), and DA *55 (646 USD), all of which cover full frame. To me, each one is priced roughly where it should be based on build and optical quality. The question isn't what we can get for 350 dollars -- we know the answer -- the question is what can Pentax come up with for 1000 or 1200 dollars for photographers who aren't satisfied with current options.

For the sake of a thread that is short on images, this is the DA *55 on the K-1 at f1.8.

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But won't be as sharp and fast as the new 50. For some of us, the difference will be good to have.
I agree with this completely and wonder if maybe I wasn't clear enough about the DA*55 suggestion; if you want the D-FA*50 and can wait for it, wait. If you want something close that you can buy today, the DA*55 is there now.

Things are pretty good these days in this general focal length range.
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If Pentax was to release a DFA L 50 f/1.7 or f/1.8 for like $350 in a small and light package comparable to FA50, it would become instantly the best seller of non kit FF lens in the lineup.
Kinda agree. The 50 and 35 on FF aren't best FL for portraiture, very fast doesn't help, f1.4 means you can't get all in focus if that's dark anyway. I'd vote for a stunning DFA*85 1.4, and fast DFA24 f1.4 for Astro (if build-in Astro tracer is suppose to be one the unique selling point of the K1), and 35 f2, 50 f2 small for walking around / sight seeing photography to make the K1 kit smaller.
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I just want them to release "something." It has been awhile since they released the 15-30 and 18-105 with the promise of primes to come...
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Kinda agree. The 50 and 35 on FF aren't best FL for portraiture, very fast doesn't help, f1.4 means you can't get all in focus if that's dark anyway. I'd vote for a stunning DFA*85 1.4, and fast DFA24 f1.4 for Astro (if build-in Astro tracer is suppose to be one the unique selling point of the K1), and 35 f2, 50 f2 small for walking around / sight seeing photography to make the K1 kit smaller.
There's a popular Instagram photographer that mainly uses 50 1.4 art for his portraits, and it works just fine for him. @tutes I believe
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