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08-13-2017, 05:13 PM - 1 Like   #1591
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Mee, again, I'm discussing your example - being fully aware that it's an example, and not a carefully constructed one. Those things are done not by you, but by the imaginary person from your example. How many times I have to write example, by the way?
The proper response to that is to accept your example is lacking, and come up with a better one. Something that would properly address the initial point:
QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
My attitude to someone insisting that their camera or lens is letting them down is not gear related at all: "Show us your portfolio" and a lot of questions suddenly get answered, Mee, and a lot of mysteries solved.


08-14-2017, 03:33 AM   #1592
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote

Yet this conversation is rather vague.. perhaps I don't understand what you mean.
Well, you're no shrinking violet, Mee, you'll engage lengthily with other members who are very evidence based like Normhead. It interests me you've got nearly six thousand posts, and I agree with many of them.

I think it's always rewarding to see in someone's photos their particular interests, background and experience.

So, have you got a link to your own?

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What are we talking about?

There is a DFA *50 coming. It will be a really nice, really expensive lens. It will come out later than the folks who really want it expected it would. People will complain about the price and the size and the fact that it wasn't here last week. And maybe the fact that it doesn't have Sony written on the side.

And all this will go out the window when someone buys it and captures an amazing sunset with it at f11 and we just fall in love in love with its flare resistance and the way it renders the soft greens of the image.

Is there anything else?

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08-14-2017, 07:27 AM   #1594
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Well, you're no shrinking violet, Mee, you'll engage lengthily with other members who are very evidence based like Normhead. It interests me you've got nearly six thousand posts, and I agree with many of them.

I think it's always rewarding to see in someone's photos their particular interests, background and experience.

So, have you got a link to your own?

Happy enough if you PM.
Well.. in light of the lengthy discussion we just had on the portfolio question, I think it better not to share it.

But I largely don't come here to look at other's portfolios, instead I mostly come here enjoy the conversation (and of that generally to catch up on any news... which seems to be rather thin as of late). I miss the news and rumors threads when they were filled with actual news and rumors.. so at this point its probably time to step away and wait for the news.

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What are we talking about?

There is a DFA *50 coming. It will be a really nice, really expensive lens. It will come out later than the folks who really want it expected it would. People will complain about the price and the size and the fact that it wasn't here last week. And maybe the fact that it doesn't have Sony written on the side.

And all this will go out the window when someone buys it and captures an amazing sunset with it at f11 and we just fall in love in love with its flare resistance and the way it renders the soft greens of the image.

Is there anything else?
Can you work dynamic range in there? And something about weather sealing?
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Can you work dynamic range in there? And something about weather sealing?
I'll see what I can do.

Maybe mention the fact that 25mm f1.8 lenses on micro four thirds cameras are tiny compared to this.
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Is there anything else?
An actual release date would be awful nice...
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And all this will go out the window when someone buys it and captures an amazing sunset with it at f11 and we just fall in love in love with its flare resistance and the way it renders the soft greens of the image.
See, the problem is we will have to wait a couple weeks after its release for someone on this forum to actually get it, have it delivered, use it, upload a photo.. if Pentax was smart, they would already be releasing such photos! But no, they are doooomed

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they are doooomed
You mis spelt that....should be....doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!
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Well.. in light of the lengthy discussion we just had on the portfolio question, I think it better not to share it. .
Well, that's a shame, Mee.

I of course don't buy arguments about lack of hosting (we have free galleries here), compromising privacy (put up shots that aren't confidential), breaching commercial contracts (put up shots that are already part of a portfolio, or even better, shot for yourself instead of for someone else) or that pictures are subjective in nature (aren't dozens of posts contradicting fellow members also opinions?).

I don't always agree with Canon owner Dan Rentea on this forum but from the shots he's posted I can see he finds nature joyous and loves in general this great hobby of ours. So, quibbles aside, he is a technical tog, seems a cool guy, and I eagerly read his posts.

When someone argues with Dan, I always hope it's an informed opinion, and it's not from an Armchair Expert, who has expensive lenses sitting on a shelf, reads DPR discussions daily and every now and again takes a flower picture in the backyard.

Talk is cheap, and I'd trust six photos by somebody more than sixty of their posts.

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08-22-2017, 04:57 AM   #1601
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when I had sold my SMC DA70 Limited Silver this June - first edition - 500 units of Hoya's time, the new user (the buyer) found the hidden defect - the repairman solved the problem - it was tiny mistake with screwing of optical elements inside - the lens had floating AF problem - the most shorts are in focus, but sometimes - back focus. sometime - front focus. Sometimes - no infinity. It was unreal to understand, it was needed to open the body of lens. Strange...Only 500 units world wide and manufacturing defect. Very disagreeable situation. The buyer said that he has no any complaints, because I couldn't understand it without optical specialist.


I hope that the new lenses will have better QC than before...is it vain hope?
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QC is probably not the point. Lens was assembled properly, and then over the years it got its wobble. I have DA70 limited, and it had the same problem- wobbling lens group assembly, loose bolts inside. It was taken apart,cleaned, relubed and put back together again- zero problems after that. Problem lies in screws used-they get loose induced by AF shaft vibrations and movement. And in older DA limited the bolt tips ware not coated in some kind of blue adhesive used in never batches that prevent loosening.
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QC is probably not the point. Lens was assembled properly, and then over the years it got its wobble.
I made not more than 300 shots with my lens. Is it already a lot of using? I sold it because of rare use and I have FA77.
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Well, that's a shame, Mee.

I of course don't buy arguments about lack of hosting (we have free galleries here), compromising privacy (put up shots that aren't confidential), breaching commercial contracts (put up shots that are already part of a portfolio, or even better, shot for yourself instead of for someone else) or that pictures are subjective in nature (aren't dozens of posts contradicting fellow members also opinions?).

I don't always agree with Canon owner Dan Rentea on this forum but from the shots he's posted I can see he finds nature joyous and loves in general this great hobby of ours. So, quibbles aside, he is a technical tog, seems a cool guy, and I eagerly read his posts.

When someone argues with Dan, I always hope it's an informed opinion, and it's not from an Armchair Expert, who has expensive lenses sitting on a shelf, reads DPR discussions daily and every now and again takes a flower picture in the backyard.

Talk is cheap, and I'd trust six photos by somebody more than sixty of their posts.

I don't think your intentions turned 180 degrees and are now friendly with one post. It is obvious that you measure photographs like you measure male length; you really just want me to show photos so you can slam me. But I won't give you the opportunity.

Quite honestly, Armchair Expert or not the truth is the truth. If they know the proper technique for fly fishing, but haven't mastered it then what they are saying about the proper technique for fly fishing is still correct. I've seen your photos yet I'm not going to weigh your opinions off of them, because truth is truth.

However subjectivity is subjectivity. That is the part we seem to be going in a loop over. Photographic qualities are highly subjective.

Which is why I decline to feed you and am disengaging in this conversation.
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Well it might be sufficient to that kind of thing to happen, not using adhesive protection on precision screws is kinda dumb choice made by manufacturer. Once in my previous work we did a test with notebooks hinges-after service instruction was issued to check how many rapid moves it takes to loosen the screw holding the hinges to the chasis rig to make it wobble in manner that can be easily spotted- it took around 200 cycles for non coated screws. One with adhesive protection was rock solid after more than 500 cycles, and probably would stay that way forever in normal usage condition.
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