DFA*50 1.4 coming

Kunzite · 12-22-2017, 01:26 PM - **1 Like**

And you cannot stop it.

surfar · 12-22-2017, 01:37 PM

2017,year of Which prime?

A/Santa has it in the sleigh!

Wheatfield · 12-22-2017, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by banep

Congratulations, this thread is 10 months old and Godot is still coming.

Apparently, so is the 50mm lens.

wkraus · 12-22-2017, 03:33 PM - **10 Likes**

Adam - could you please set up a Pentax frustration support group subforum for people to discuss their irritations and leave the rest of us alone?

Unregistered User 8 · 12-22-2017, 04:15 PM - **1 Like**

Hi folks. All opinions ( if respectfully stated ) are welcome on the Pentax forums. Being able to agree or disagree without fear or favor is what this site is about. Please keep personal attacks, at any level, out of the discussions. Thanks for your cooperation.

MMVIII · 12-22-2017, 04:18 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by banep

1. Actually Nikon is doing most of the damage, probably because they are in trouble there are excellent Nikon FF deals for some time

2. 645z was Ricoh's cash cow for a few years but they are loosing market rapidly because of the same bad/slow lens release strategy as for K-1. Fuji doesn't share their MF "vision".

3. Only APS-C has a decent modern lenses lineup and if Ricoh survive in camera business it will be because of APS-C cameras and lenses. Last peace of puzzle was DA*11-18 and it will be solved soon.

4. K-1 is much more consumer than a pro camera mostly because of consumer level AF capabilities (in compare to similar Canikon cameras). So their strategy with pro lenses for a consumer camera is a nonsense.

5. I don't think that Ricoh will be in camera business in 3 years because their slow motion business already looks like closing. Based on new lenses, even Sony's DSLR lineup looks much more alive than Ricoh's.

6. My strategy for a long time was Pentax ff. When I bought K-1 I thought that I'll never used APS-C again. But these days I am using my old K-5 10x more that K-1. I've been forced to changed my strategy because of lack of adequate FF lenses.

Really? I read of fear, uncertainty and disappointment. And I agree with wkraus...

banep · 12-23-2017, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by pres589

banep, you'll be happy to know that when I sent my 26mm f2.4 prime lens request to Ricoh yesterday, I included WR as one of the items they need to include in the offering.

They'll need at least 20 years for that and the problem is that they won't be on a market for such a long time.

My advice for you is to switch to Sony E mount, which don't have exact lens but this is very close to your perfect lens:
Zeiss is rumored to announce a new Loxia 25mm f/2.4 full frame mirrorless lens for Sony E-mount

And it is WR.

p.s. If you are not satisfied with 25mm just wait a few months and some 3rd party manufacturer will have 26mm f2.4 E-mount lens.

repaap · 12-23-2017, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by banep

They'll need at least 20 years for that and the problem is that they won't be on a market for such a long time.

My advice for you is to switch to Sony E mount, which don't have exact lens but this is very close to your perfect lens:
Zeiss is rumored to announce a new Loxia 25mm f/2.4 full frame mirrorless lens for Sony E-mount

And it is WR.

p.s. If you are not satisfied with 25mm just wait a few months and some 3rd party manufacturer will have 26mm f2.4 E-mount lens.

Oh wow,

That loxia is just remake of pretty old 25/2.8 zeiss. What a amazing developing of that compared of things being made now by pentax with their D-FA*50..which has a lot new desing too..Oh wait, they are also actually doing new things too, like 11-18...

Mistral75 · 12-23-2017, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by repaap

Oh wow,

That loxia is just remake of pretty old 25/2.8 zeiss. (...)

You seem to know many things others don't

.

Wheatfield · 12-23-2017, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Will Ricoh develop all lenses during 10-15 years?

At the rate they are going, they might get 3 done in the next decade.

---------- Post added 12-23-17 at 09:50 AM ----------

Originally posted by shardulm

So Pentax cover FL that the other manufacturers cover? I thought the D-FA line up so far covered from 15mm to 450mm. But may be you know shoot more outside of those FLs then.

No, I shoot prime lenses not zooms.
You do understand that this makes a difference to people?

Quote:

Plethora = K50/1.2, M50/1.4, M50/1.7, A50/1.7, F50/1.7, K55/f2, K50/4 macro, A50/2.8 Macro, F50/2.8 macro, DA50/1.8, presuming our conversation is still full frame. And I did not count the mundane ones that you mentioned and I am sure I missed all the Taks. DA*55/1.4 is another stellar lens which is also a classic 85/1.4 FOV on APS-C is another well thought out lens. And I actually have all of them and use them on K-1 pretty easily (20 year old or not) and get results that I love. But I may be wrong with the plethora definition.

The only ones that are available new, and reliably, are the 50 macro and the FA50/1.4. The DA50/1.8 is not a full frame lens, and does not cover the format especially well. Apparently the 55/1.4 does somewhat better in this regard, but it still vignettes quite badly wide open (I sold mine for that reason when I bought the K1)
What you are missing here is that while these lenses are out there, they are NOT available as new equipment, and they are not designed with the rigors of digital sensors in mind. You are moving the goalposts to a different stadium.

Quote:

It is not the start.. they made 50s ever since. So I wonder what is this D-FA*50 going to bring to the table besides the ring motor and * optics (innovation I agree).

Well, the optics would be the biggie. That seems unimportant to you, and I guess that's fine if one doesn't care about image quality.

---------- Post added 12-22-17 at 01:48 PM ----------

Quote:

D-FA15-30, D-FA28-105, D-FA24-70, D-FA70-200, D-FA150-450 cover all the FLs you mentioned.
Besides DA*200/f2.8, DA*300/f4 are FF lenses.
If we are strictly talking primes then 85 and an additional 50 are coming. Although I would have liked a 15 or 20, or 24 to come first but then D-FA15-30 has it already and is a stellar wide angle lens.

It's starting to look like the Second Coming will happen first. I've used the 15-30. It's an OK lens, but it's a horse, like it's stablemates the 70-200 and the 150-450.

repaap · 12-23-2017, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

You seem to know many things others don't

.

Well it seems to be the case when Pentax makes _______ lens-> it is copy/rebrand,remake, even if they would make one from the scratch.....so I suppose that it goes both ways. Besides of that, it is based on Distagon 25/2 lens desing. Before that it is different, but it is quite old, no?
edit: sees that I wrote 25/2.8 by mistake at eralier post, but that does not make much difference.

**pres589** · 12-23-2017, 02:46 PM - **1 Like**

Lot of sad sacks in this thread.

banep · 12-24-2017, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by pres589

Lot of sad sacks in this thread.

Yeah and without obvious reason, except maybe the lens release rates and priorities.

With any other manufacturer this "lens is coming" thread would be closed at least 6 month ago.

Kunzite · 12-24-2017, 02:31 AM

"Reason" like pretending not to understand the concept of a roadmap?

It takes much longer than 6 months for other manufacturers. Even as long as 2 years (e.g. Fujifilm's super telephoto lens)

repaap · 12-24-2017, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

"Reason" like pretending not to understand the concept of a roadmap?

It takes much longer than 6 months for other manufacturers. Even as long as 2 years (e.g. Fujifilm's super telephoto lens)

Hmm. That is weird. Matbe they should now say that anything is ’coming’, like it is really misleading. Only report when something is on the shelves, and if you are supposed to buy it or not. Then it would be simple And fair.

But yes, I do admit that I’m sad ... should not have gone and argue when there is nothing to argue about. Now. Should we have more examples, pics, pics!

12-23-2017, 10:12 AM	#2321
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Mistral75 You seem to know many things others don't . Well it seems to be the case when Pentax makes _______ lens-> it is copy/rebrand,remake, even if they would make one from the scratch.....so I suppose that it goes both ways. Besides of that, it is based on Distagon 25/2 lens desing. Before that it is different, but it is quite old, no? edit: sees that I wrote 25/2.8 by mistake at eralier post, but that does not make much difference. Last edited by repaap; 12-23-2017 at 10:54 AM.

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MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by banep 1. Actually Nikon is doing most of the damage, probably because they are in trouble there are excellent Nikon FF deals for some time 2. 645z was Ricoh's cash cow for a few years but they are loosing market rapidly because of the same bad/slow lens release strategy as for K-1. Fuji doesn't share their MF "vision". 3. Only APS-C has a decent modern lenses lineup and if Ricoh survive in camera business it will be because of APS-C cameras and lenses. Last peace of puzzle was DA*11-18 and it will be solved soon. 4. K-1 is much more consumer than a pro camera mostly because of consumer level AF capabilities (in compare to similar Canikon cameras). So their strategy with pro lenses for a consumer camera is a nonsense. 5. I don't think that Ricoh will be in camera business in 3 years because their slow motion business already looks like closing. Based on new lenses, even Sony's DSLR lineup looks much more alive than Ricoh's. 6. My strategy for a long time was Pentax ff. When I bought K-1 I thought that I'll never used APS-C again. But these days I am using my old K-5 10x more that K-1. I've been forced to changed my strategy because of lack of adequate FF lenses. Really? I read of fear, uncertainty and disappointment. And I agree with wkraus...

12-23-2017, 01:38 AM	#2317
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by pres589 banep, you'll be happy to know that when I sent my 26mm f2.4 prime lens request to Ricoh yesterday, I included WR as one of the items they need to include in the offering. They'll need at least 20 years for that and the problem is that they won't be on a market for such a long time. My advice for you is to switch to Sony E mount, which don't have exact lens but this is very close to your perfect lens: Zeiss is rumored to announce a new Loxia 25mm f/2.4 full frame mirrorless lens for Sony E-mount And it is WR. p.s. If you are not satisfied with 25mm just wait a few months and some 3rd party manufacturer will have 26mm f2.4 E-mount lens.

12-23-2017, 02:01 AM	#2318
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by banep They'll need at least 20 years for that and the problem is that they won't be on a market for such a long time. My advice for you is to switch to Sony E mount, which don't have exact lens but this is very close to your perfect lens: Zeiss is rumored to announce a new Loxia 25mm f/2.4 full frame mirrorless lens for Sony E-mount And it is WR. p.s. If you are not satisfied with 25mm just wait a few months and some 3rd party manufacturer will have 26mm f2.4 E-mount lens. Oh wow, That loxia is just remake of pretty old 25/2.8 zeiss. What a amazing developing of that compared of things being made now by pentax with their D-FA*50..which has a lot new desing too..Oh wait, they are also actually doing new things too, like 11-18...

12-23-2017, 02:45 AM	#2319
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by repaap Oh wow, That loxia is just remake of pretty old 25/2.8 zeiss. (...) You seem to know many things others don't .

12-23-2017, 08:35 AM	#2320
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by ogl Will Ricoh develop all lenses during 10-15 years? At the rate they are going, they might get 3 done in the next decade. ---------- Post added 12-23-17 at 09:50 AM ---------- Originally posted by shardulm So Pentax cover FL that the other manufacturers cover? I thought the D-FA line up so far covered from 15mm to 450mm. But may be you know shoot more outside of those FLs then. No, I shoot prime lenses not zooms. You do understand that this makes a difference to people? Quote: Plethora = K50/1.2, M50/1.4, M50/1.7, A50/1.7, F50/1.7, K55/f2, K50/4 macro, A50/2.8 Macro, F50/2.8 macro, DA50/1.8, presuming our conversation is still full frame. And I did not count the mundane ones that you mentioned and I am sure I missed all the Taks. DA55/1.4 is another stellar lens which is also a classic 85/1.4 FOV on APS-C is another well thought out lens. And I actually have all of them and use them on K-1 pretty easily (20 year old or not) and get results that I love. But I may be wrong with the plethora definition. The only ones that are available new, and reliably, are the 50 macro and the FA50/1.4. The DA50/1.8 is not a full frame lens, and does not cover the format especially well. Apparently the 55/1.4 does somewhat better in this regard, but it still vignettes quite badly wide open (I sold mine for that reason when I bought the K1) What you are missing here is that while these lenses are out there, they are NOT available as new equipment, and they are not designed with the rigors of digital sensors in mind. You are moving the goalposts to a different stadium. Quote: It is not the start.. they made 50s ever since. So I wonder what is this D-FA50 going to bring to the table besides the ring motor and * optics (innovation I agree). Well, the optics would be the biggie. That seems unimportant to you, and I guess that's fine if one doesn't care about image quality. ---------- Post added 12-22-17 at 01:48 PM ---------- Quote: D-FA15-30, D-FA28-105, D-FA24-70, D-FA70-200, D-FA150-450 cover all the FLs you mentioned. Besides DA200/f2.8, DA300/f4 are FF lenses. If we are strictly talking primes then 85 and an additional 50 are coming. Although I would have liked a 15 or 20, or 24 to come first but then D-FA15-30 has it already and is a stellar wide angle lens. It's starting to look like the Second Coming will happen first. I've used the 15-30. It's an OK lens, but it's a horse, like it's stablemates the 70-200 and the 150-450.

12-23-2017, 02:46 PM - 1 Like	#2322
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Lot of sad sacks in this thread.

12-24-2017, 01:55 AM	#2323
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by pres589 Lot of sad sacks in this thread. Yeah and without obvious reason, except maybe the lens release rates and priorities. With any other manufacturer this "lens is coming" thread would be closed at least 6 month ago.

12-24-2017, 02:31 AM	#2324
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	"Reason" like pretending not to understand the concept of a roadmap? It takes much longer than 6 months for other manufacturers. Even as long as 2 years (e.g. Fujifilm's super telephoto lens)

12-24-2017, 11:06 AM	#2325
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Kunzite "Reason" like pretending not to understand the concept of a roadmap? It takes much longer than 6 months for other manufacturers. Even as long as 2 years (e.g. Fujifilm's super telephoto lens) Hmm. That is weird. Matbe they should now say that anything is ’coming’, like it is really misleading. Only report when something is on the shelves, and if you are supposed to buy it or not. Then it would be simple And fair. But yes, I do admit that I’m sad ... should not have gone and argue when there is nothing to argue about. Now. Should we have more examples, pics, pics!