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02-26-2017, 01:31 AM   #631
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But you should also say, that it is no fault, but per design. The limitation is the physic behind that.
The way you wrote this, implies, that something was done wrong, and others have a better solution for that.

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QuoteOriginally posted by joergens.mi Quote
The way you wrote this, implies, that something was done wrong
No, you have completely misunderstood me. It is a DA lens, so the assumption should be that it is designed for crop cameras.

Someone else (pres589) suggested you could make it into a full frame lens by hacking off the hood. I just wanted to clarify that is most certainly not the case. The suggestion has subsequently been deleted.

I think perhaps we are actually on the same side
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
You may even notice his photos are quite great, not because of sharpness but light, subject, colors, composition...
And there was me thinking it was down to his subject material...

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And there was me thinking it was down to his subject material...
What format was he shooting? Size doesn't matter.

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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
What happened with Nicolas (if I followed correctly), while in search of higher image quality, he upgraded from a K5 to K3, then he replaced his DA* SDM zooms by a set of FA limited, then he decided to put his photography budget in low prio versus other things (he's probably investing or saving in other areas), now he tried not to cross the fence of higher IQ because that would put his saving plans in danger, hence the lengthy argumentation about why full frame is not necessary etc etc etc. That's perfectly understandable, with all the marketing mermaid working out people desires to upgrade to better gear, you must constantly convince yourself that an upgrade is not necessary, that's what Nicolas is trying to do, so far he is successful as he managed not to buy any new photo gear. Also, if he can get some approval from a few PF member that higher image quality is useless, it makes it easier for him to consolidate the wall of sandbags to protect his bank account.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to say "x" camera (K3, K5 II, whatever) is good enough for me and the lenses I have now are adequate for my needs as well, without saying new cameras and lenses are pointless.

We used to have these full frame versus APS-C arguments ad nauseum on the forum. Fortunately they have settled down a lot, but they really came down to people saying "Crop cameras are good enough for most purposes" and others saying "But I still really want full frame." Now that the K-1 is here, those arguments have died down -- people who want full frame get it and those who are happy with what they have already don't and that's probably the way it should be.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I think it is perfectly reasonable to say "x" camera (K3, K5 II, whatever) is good enough for me and the lenses I have now are adequate for my needs as well, without saying new cameras and lenses are pointless. We used to have these full frame versus APS-C arguments ad nauseum on the forum. Fortunately they have settled down a lot, but they really came down to people saying "Crop cameras are good enough for most purposes" and others saying "But I still really want full frame." Now that the K-1 is here, those arguments have died down -- people who want full frame get it and those who are happy with what they have already don't and that's probably the way it should be.
Indeed.
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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
What happened with Nicolas (if I followed correctly), while in search of higher image quality, he upgraded from a K5 to K3, then he replaced his DA* SDM zooms by a set of FA limited, then he decided to put his photography budget in low prio versus other things (he's probably investing or saving in other areas), now he tried not to cross the fence of higher IQ because that would put his saving plans in danger, hence the lengthy argumentation about why full frame is not necessary etc etc etc. That's perfectly understandable, with all the marketing mermaid working out people desires to upgrade to better gear, you must constantly convince yourself that an upgrade is not necessary, that's what Nicolas is trying to do, so far he is successful as he managed not to buy any new photo gear. Also, if he can get some approval from a few PF member that higher image quality is useless, it makes it easier for him to consolidate the wall of sandbags to protect his bank account.
My wife might want me to implement this strategy
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I think it is perfectly reasonable to say "x" camera (K3, K5 II, whatever) is good enough for me and the lenses I have now are adequate for my needs as well, without saying new cameras and lenses are pointless.

We used to have these full frame versus APS-C arguments ad nauseum on the forum. Fortunately they have settled down a lot, but they really came down to people saying "Crop cameras are good enough for most purposes" and others saying "But I still really want full frame." Now that the K-1 is here, those arguments have died down -- people who want full frame get it and those who are happy with what they have already don't and that's probably the way it should be.
And then there are people who bought the K-1 fully intending to sell off all their APSc gear and actually concentrate on taking photos rather than arguing about cameras on the internet, but never got around to the selling the DA lenses part because the DA Limiteds are pretty good in crop mode on K-1, and along comes the KP, and those people still have 4 DA Limiteds . . . .


Nicholas has a point, to a point. If the object is images most of us don't need more gear.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
So having that German outfit do a hood slice on the 10-17 doesn't actually help at any focal distance? That's.... not what I would have expected for having such a service done.

Scratch that from my previous post.
I didn't see this linked to (apologies if I missed it), but his page has good examples of the Tokina 10-17mm on a FF canon before and after shaving.

Tokina 10-17 mounted on Canon 5D | EN | 360pano.de

I'm not sure how different the Tokina 10-17mm body is to the Pentax version, but it should give an idea. You do get more room in cropping, but it's (to me) a little unsatisfying that you don't hit the whole circle in the frame. You might do well to shoot hoodless at 10-11mm, then rotate the camera 90 degrees (e.g. from landscape to portrait orientation) for another shot, then stitch the results together.

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So having that German outfit do a hood slice on the 10-17 doesn't actually help at any focal distance? That's.... not what I would have expected for having such a service done.

Scratch that from my previous post.
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Because I went to bed.

Yeesh.
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What format was he shooting? Size doesn't matter.
I'm talking about the bonnie lasses...
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Because I went to bed.

Yeesh.
You're sleep typing?
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Good lord. In any case, I fixed it. There's better threads for that stuff anyway, and this one has really evolved into something else.
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QuoteOriginally posted by frogfoot Quote
I think they designed such a big lens to increase its image circle way above 24x36 mm to use only the best, core part of it to obtain sharpness from border to border. Also they might made it with real aperture of 0.7 or so and diaphragmed it down to 1.4 to decrease aberrations.
that is correct. The Otus line can be adapted on mirrorless MF camera (custom job) and cover a great part of the sensor. The blog writer "Ming Thein" expressed it quite a few time.
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