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02-27-2017, 12:48 PM   #661
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QuoteOriginally posted by MJKoski Quote
it has been back-ordered here and there, but it sure is if production numbers are kept low.
No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player.

How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera?

And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way.

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QuoteOriginally posted by bdery Quote
No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player.

How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera?

And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way.
Especially Sigma who make the own camera bodies.
Stop making sense, it's a stoning offence on this forum. Better put on your riot gear.

It never seems to occur to people, only Pentax lenses are manufactured and designed for Pentax cameras. If Sigma or Tamron lens work well, it's an accident. I'm sure their design considerations were more about how they work with Canon gear, for maybe Canon and Nikon. You'll be able to tell who they design for by who they sell the most lenses to.
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The store from which I have purchased K-1 two times has sold maybe 50 units in a year and they are one of the few authorized Pentax dealers in Finland. Supply has been limited so far only few units arriving once or twice / month. And that has been the demand as well.

Maybe we are Z class customers here then.

Large aperture ART lenses would shine on K-1. One could use astro tracker and ISO100 to expose night sky with 20/1.4. Or push every last pixel worth of detail with 85mm ART and pixel shift. So many opportunities.

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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote

It never seems to occur to people, only Pentax lenses are manufactured and designed for Pentax cameras. If Sigma or Tamron lens work well, it's an accident.
I mean, I guess that's technically true, but how much does it actually matter? People working with mirrorless cameras seem happy adapting lenses that were definitely never meant for their host camera. Likewise, micro 4/3 lenses are widely shared between Panasonic and Olympus, even though the lenses were manufactured to be used with a camera of the same brand name.

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I don't know if it's a great situation to have all lenses available only from Ricoh. We're kind of headed that direction unless this changes. Or the aforementioned used gear. And to say that a Tamron that works well on a Pentax body is an accident is really painting a strange picture of engineering development efforts that take place at 3rd party lens companies. "Eh, slam a k-mount on it, maybe it'll function. Don't check anything, just ship it. We'll be at the golf course".
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QuoteOriginally posted by bdery Quote
No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player.

How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera?

And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way.
How something is stocked depends on the retailer's terms with the manufacturer or supplier, I would guess. There may be reasons for a retailer to keep stock low. For example, if the terms with the manufacturer/supplier are that unsold stock cannot easily be returned or eventually sold at a discount, then a retailer would want to keep stock items to a minimum in order not to be stuck with something they cannot later get rid of without a hassle. That's money tied up in the wrong way. In this scenario taking lower sales would make sense - only ordering another camera after the first one has been sold, for example. It's also probable that supplies of stock are prioritized by region - a region which returns a better margin for the manufacturer is likely to be ahead of the queue for more stock than one which isn't so profitable because it costs more to service it. And then of course there are the routine cock-ups of over- or under-estimating demand, the transport company throws a wobbly, etc. Just a general point.

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Honestly, I don't understand what people really want. I think they are too spoiled, and want to be spoiled with choices that make no economic sense.
There are already several excellent zooms for K1 already, covering all FoVs from 15 to 450 mm, and when a few premium primes are added for a more specific work, what more people would really need (instead of vainly want)?
Threads like this, endless moaning about why Sigma does or does not, make me ill. Pentax did promise primes — so cheer them up and they will come and then you will have it all. Pentax will deliver before Sigma, so thumbs up for Pentax!
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So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving!
"(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017."
Financial Results:FY2017/03 | Global | Ricoh

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So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving!
"(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017."
Financial Results:FY2017/03 | Global | Ricoh
It was mentioned by someone in the other forum that the DFA* 50 was in field trials, so it may very well be only a couple of months away.
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QuoteOriginally posted by davidsladek Quote
So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving!
"(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017."
Financial Results:FY2017/03 | Global | Ricoh
Somehow I think they mean the next fiscal year. The new roadmap was for the next fiscal year starting april first 2017 and ending march 31th 2018.

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Somehow I think they mean the next fiscal quarter. The new roadmap was for the next fiscal year starting april first 2017 and ending march 31th 2018.
You can think what you like, because it fits your Pentax-bashing mindset. What they *said* is FY17, which for Ricoh ends quite soon.

You may turn out to be correct. Or not. Why don't we all just wait?
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Why don't we all just wait?
Goodness, what a novel concept
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It'll arrive when it arrives. No use over thinking it. Its on the roadmap, there is a mockup of how it looks, unconfirmed reports say it is already out on field tests.

So if you feel like you want it, start saving now if you need to, if you don't need to save take your current 50s out for a play and get the FOV nailed in your brain.

If you don't want it, don't like it, start writing down all your ideas as to why not so that you will sound lucid and eloquent as you feel the urge to tell the whole internet.
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You can think what you like, because it fits your Pentax-bashing mindset. What they *said* is FY17, which for Ricoh ends quite soon.

You may turn out to be correct. Or not. Why don't we all just wait?
I'm afraid, Sandy, that it will only be interesting to Ron if it is delayed for some reason.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
There may be reasons for a retailer to keep stock low.
I was talking about manufacturers.
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