DFA*50 1.4 coming

bdery · 02-27-2017, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by MJKoski

it has been back-ordered here and there, but it sure is if production numbers are kept low.

No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player.

How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera?

And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way.

normhead · 02-27-2017, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by bdery

No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player.

How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera?

And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way.

Especially Sigma who make the own camera bodies.
Stop making sense, it's a stoning offence on this forum. Better put on your riot gear.

It never seems to occur to people, only Pentax lenses are manufactured and designed for Pentax cameras. If Sigma or Tamron lens work well, it's an accident. I'm sure their design considerations were more about how they work with Canon gear, for maybe Canon and Nikon. You'll be able to tell who they design for by who they sell the most lenses to.

MJKoski · 02-27-2017, 01:38 PM

The store from which I have purchased K-1 two times has sold maybe 50 units in a year and they are one of the few authorized Pentax dealers in Finland. Supply has been limited so far only few units arriving once or twice / month. And that has been the demand as well.

Maybe we are Z class customers here then.

Large aperture ART lenses would shine on K-1. One could use astro tracker and ISO100 to expose night sky with 20/1.4. Or push every last pixel worth of detail with 85mm ART and pixel shift. So many opportunities.

lithedreamer · 02-27-2017, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by normhead

It never seems to occur to people, only Pentax lenses are manufactured and designed for Pentax cameras. If Sigma or Tamron lens work well, it's an accident.

I mean, I guess that's technically true, but how much does it actually matter? People working with mirrorless cameras seem happy adapting lenses that were definitely never meant for their host camera. Likewise, micro 4/3 lenses are widely shared between Panasonic and Olympus, even though the lenses were manufactured to be used with a camera of the same brand name.

**pres589** · 02-27-2017, 01:50 PM

I don't know if it's a great situation to have all lenses available only from Ricoh. We're kind of headed that direction unless this changes. Or the aforementioned used gear. And to say that a Tamron that works well on a Pentax body is an accident is really painting a strange picture of engineering development efforts that take place at 3rd party lens companies. "Eh, slam a k-mount on it, maybe it'll function. Don't check anything, just ship it. We'll be at the golf course".

mecrox · 02-27-2017, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by bdery

No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player.

How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera?

And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way.

How something is stocked depends on the retailer's terms with the manufacturer or supplier, I would guess. There may be reasons for a retailer to keep stock low. For example, if the terms with the manufacturer/supplier are that unsold stock cannot easily be returned or eventually sold at a discount, then a retailer would want to keep stock items to a minimum in order not to be stuck with something they cannot later get rid of without a hassle. That's money tied up in the wrong way. In this scenario taking lower sales would make sense - only ordering another camera after the first one has been sold, for example. It's also probable that supplies of stock are prioritized by region - a region which returns a better margin for the manufacturer is likely to be ahead of the queue for more stock than one which isn't so profitable because it costs more to service it. And then of course there are the routine cock-ups of over- or under-estimating demand, the transport company throws a wobbly, etc. Just a general point.

Uluru · 02-27-2017, 06:20 PM - **1 Like**

Honestly, I don't understand what people really want. I think they are too spoiled, and want to be spoiled with choices that make no economic sense.
There are already several excellent zooms for K1 already, covering all FoVs from 15 to 450 mm, and when a few premium primes are added for a more specific work, what more people would really need (instead of vainly want)?
Threads like this, endless moaning about why Sigma does or does not, make me ill. Pentax did promise primes — so cheer them up and they will come and then you will have it all. Pentax will deliver before Sigma, so thumbs up for Pentax!

davidsladek · 02-28-2017, 12:10 AM

So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving!

"(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017."
Financial Results:FY2017/03 | Global | Ricoh

robjmitchell · 02-28-2017, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by davidsladek

So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving!

"(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017."
Financial Results:FY2017/03 | Global | Ricoh

It was mentioned by someone in the other forum that the DFA* 50 was in field trials, so it may very well be only a couple of months away.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-28-2017, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by davidsladek

So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving!

"(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017."
Financial Results:FY2017/03 | Global | Ricoh

Somehow I think they mean the next fiscal year. The new roadmap was for the next fiscal year starting april first 2017 and ending march 31th 2018.

**Sandy Hancock** · 02-28-2017, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Somehow I think they mean the next fiscal quarter. The new roadmap was for the next fiscal year starting april first 2017 and ending march 31th 2018.

You can think what you like, because it fits your Pentax-bashing mindset. What they *said* is FY17, which for Ricoh ends quite soon.

You may turn out to be correct. Or not. Why don't we all just wait?

**NZ_Ross** · 02-28-2017, 02:28 AM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Why don't we all just wait?

Goodness, what a novel concept

robbiec · 02-28-2017, 02:58 AM - **2 Likes**

It'll arrive when it arrives. No use over thinking it. Its on the roadmap, there is a mockup of how it looks, unconfirmed reports say it is already out on field tests.

So if you feel like you want it, start saving now if you need to, if you don't need to save take your current 50s out for a play and get the FOV nailed in your brain.

If you don't want it, don't like it, start writing down all your ideas as to why not so that you will sound lucid and eloquent as you feel the urge to tell the whole internet.

**Rondec** · 02-28-2017, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

You can think what you like, because it fits your Pentax-bashing mindset. What they *said* is FY17, which for Ricoh ends quite soon.

You may turn out to be correct. Or not. Why don't we all just wait?

I'm afraid, Sandy, that it will only be interesting to Ron if it is delayed for some reason.

bdery · 02-28-2017, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by mecrox

There may be reasons for a retailer to keep stock low.

I was talking about manufacturers.

02-27-2017, 01:38 PM	#663
MJKoski Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 921	The store from which I have purchased K-1 two times has sold maybe 50 units in a year and they are one of the few authorized Pentax dealers in Finland. Supply has been limited so far only few units arriving once or twice / month. And that has been the demand as well. Maybe we are Z class customers here then. Large aperture ART lenses would shine on K-1. One could use astro tracker and ISO100 to expose night sky with 20/1.4. Or push every last pixel worth of detail with 85mm ART and pixel shift. So many opportunities. Last edited by MJKoski; 02-27-2017 at 01:43 PM.

02-27-2017, 02:21 PM	#666
mecrox Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,236	Originally posted by bdery No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player. How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera? And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way. How something is stocked depends on the retailer's terms with the manufacturer or supplier, I would guess. There may be reasons for a retailer to keep stock low. For example, if the terms with the manufacturer/supplier are that unsold stock cannot easily be returned or eventually sold at a discount, then a retailer would want to keep stock items to a minimum in order not to be stuck with something they cannot later get rid of without a hassle. That's money tied up in the wrong way. In this scenario taking lower sales would make sense - only ordering another camera after the first one has been sold, for example. It's also probable that supplies of stock are prioritized by region - a region which returns a better margin for the manufacturer is likely to be ahead of the queue for more stock than one which isn't so profitable because it costs more to service it. And then of course there are the routine cock-ups of over- or under-estimating demand, the transport company throws a wobbly, etc. Just a general point. Last edited by mecrox; 02-27-2017 at 02:27 PM.

02-28-2017, 02:10 AM	#670
RonHendriks1966 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,757	Originally posted by davidsladek So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving! "(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017." Financial Results:FY2017/03 \| Global \| Ricoh Somehow I think they mean the next fiscal year. The new roadmap was for the next fiscal year starting april first 2017 and ending march 31th 2018. Last edited by RonHendriks1966; 02-28-2017 at 06:42 AM.

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bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,013	Originally posted by MJKoski it has been back-ordered here and there, but it sure is if production numbers are kept low. No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player. How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera? And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way.

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normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 27,468	Originally posted by bdery No one in his right mind would deliberately keep stock low, and get lower sales because of this. The only possibility would be to keep the stocks near the edge to create an artificial hype. That would not be the case with a niche player. How could Pentax convince Tamron and Sigma to offfer their lenses in K mount if they deliberately prevented customers from getting their hands on a camera? And on a side note, why would Pentax want to force Sigma and Tamron to offer lenses in K-mount? People will only buy more Pentax lenses that way. Especially Sigma who make the own camera bodies. Stop making sense, it's a stoning offence on this forum. Better put on your riot gear. It never seems to occur to people, only Pentax lenses are manufactured and designed for Pentax cameras. If Sigma or Tamron lens work well, it's an accident. I'm sure their design considerations were more about how they work with Canon gear, for maybe Canon and Nikon. You'll be able to tell who they design for by who they sell the most lenses to.

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lithedreamer Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,717	Originally posted by normhead It never seems to occur to people, only Pentax lenses are manufactured and designed for Pentax cameras. If Sigma or Tamron lens work well, it's an accident. I mean, I guess that's technically true, but how much does it actually matter? People working with mirrorless cameras seem happy adapting lenses that were definitely never meant for their host camera. Likewise, micro 4/3 lenses are widely shared between Panasonic and Olympus, even though the lenses were manufactured to be used with a camera of the same brand name.

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pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Lawrence, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 1,489	I don't know if it's a great situation to have all lenses available only from Ricoh. We're kind of headed that direction unless this changes. Or the aforementioned used gear. And to say that a Tamron that works well on a Pentax body is an accident is really painting a strange picture of engineering development efforts that take place at 3rd party lens companies. "Eh, slam a k-mount on it, maybe it'll function. Don't check anything, just ship it. We'll be at the golf course".

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robjmitchell Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,430	Originally posted by davidsladek So, according to the interview part 2, D FA 50 will be out in about ONE month! Better start saving! "(paraphrased) The D FA* 50 1.4 will be released during the fiscal year 2017." Financial Results:FY2017/03 \| Global \| Ricoh It was mentioned by someone in the other forum that the DFA* 50 was in field trials, so it may very well be only a couple of months away.

02-28-2017, 02:24 AM	#671
Sandy Hancock Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,278	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Somehow I think they mean the next fiscal quarter. The new roadmap was for the next fiscal year starting april first 2017 and ending march 31th 2018. You can think what you like, because it fits your Pentax-bashing mindset. What they said is FY17, which for Ricoh ends quite soon. You may turn out to be correct. Or not. Why don't we all just wait?

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NZ_Ross Kiwi Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Timaru Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,356	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Why don't we all just wait? Goodness, what a novel concept

02-28-2017, 02:58 AM - 2 Likes	#673
robbiec Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork, Ireland Photos: Albums Posts: 1,246	It'll arrive when it arrives. No use over thinking it. Its on the roadmap, there is a mockup of how it looks, unconfirmed reports say it is already out on field tests. So if you feel like you want it, start saving now if you need to, if you don't need to save take your current 50s out for a play and get the FOV nailed in your brain. If you don't want it, don't like it, start writing down all your ideas as to why not so that you will sound lucid and eloquent as you feel the urge to tell the whole internet.

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Rondec Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,317	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock You can think what you like, because it fits your Pentax-bashing mindset. What they said is FY17, which for Ricoh ends quite soon. You may turn out to be correct. Or not. Why don't we all just wait? I'm afraid, Sandy, that it will only be interesting to Ron if it is delayed for some reason.

02-28-2017, 05:48 AM	#675
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,013	Originally posted by mecrox There may be reasons for a retailer to keep stock low. I was talking about manufacturers.