DFA*50 1.4 coming

**sibyrnes** · 07-26-2017, 01:23 PM

Unfortunately "bigger is better" seems to be the marketing mantra today. Even the Mini Cooper has gotten bigger and don't even get me started with what they have done to the Jeep!

**Rondec** · 07-26-2017, 01:45 PM

Every lens is a compromise. We already have the FA limited compromises. If you want strong center sharpness with decent corner sharpness at f3.5 to 4 then get an FA 43 limited. But what would be the point of making a slightly bigger FA 50 limited that is just slightly better? I think the whole point is that Pentax believes they have the small corner covered already and they are looking at other lenses that will help them stand out.

The only issue is not the fact that they are releasing "big" lenses, but that they are taking so long in releasing them at all.

normhead · 07-26-2017, 01:49 PM

Ha, according to ephotozine my SMC DA* 200 is higher rated.
Top 26 Best Pentax Lenses 2017

It's really hard to do comparisons. For the lenses I know ePHOTOzine's numbers are quite low. I guess each company has their own implementation. Like many sites, only the new releases have ben tested on the K-1, most having been tested on the K-5. The only cross comparison between the 70-200 and competing lenses is on price, not performance, so its not as good as what I've seen comparing Tamron, Nikon and Canon lenses. It's a complimentary review, I just can't decide what it means.

But just out of interest I checked the Milvus 35 test featured on the front page. 4500 lw/ph tested on a 50.6 MP sensor. Impressive. But the fact that it's tested on a 50.6 MP sensor makes it hard to compare.

Incidentally the numbers of the Milvus 35 are off the charts, but they test it on a 50.6 Canon 5Ds R, so I have no idea what that means in Pentax K-1 numbers.

**ffking** · 07-26-2017, 01:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

Ha, according to ephotozine my SMC DA* 200 is higher rated.
Top 26 Best Pentax Lenses 2017

I've always loved the fact that their only 'con' to that lens is "It doesn't fit other makes of camera to allow everyone to enjoy this lens."

Kunzite · 07-26-2017, 01:59 PM

So now you care about a half-subjective "rating"?

Just like with Photozone, DXOMark, etc. the numbers are not comparable between systems. And by the way, the DA* 200mm was tested on the K-7.

normhead · 07-26-2017, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

So now you care about a half-subjective "rating"?

Just like with Photozone, DXOMark, etc. the numbers are not comparable between systems. And by the way, the DA* 200mm was tested on the K-7.

I don't really care. After being an advocate for the lens and seeing how many people it really doesn't impress because it just doesn't suit what they do, I just found it amusing that they rated it as the #1 Pentax lens. If it were court I'd say "This goes toward establishing the credibility of the witness your honour." A site that rates the 200 as the number one lens for Pentax, as far as I'm concerned has some serious credibility issues. From my experience again as an advocate for the lens, I surely hope no one goes out and buys it because of that rating. It's an excellent lens, but definitely is a focal length that doesn't suit every body's style. My DA* 60-250 , my favourite cross platform lens, didn't even get a mention. I don't get it. Excellent image quality, edge to edge, nicely corrected for CA, lighter than a 70-200, a telephoto on the K-3, a great walk around lens on the K-1, a lens several people have bought into Pentax just to be able to use it.... it's not even mentioned.

There's me and one other guy on the site with a DA*200 that I know of, and Drline sold his.

For the record, according to forum voting the 77 ltd is the #1 Pentax lens of all time, with he 31 ltd as the also ran.

Kunzite · 07-26-2017, 04:24 PM

If you were in court... advocates have other things in mind, than establishing the truth, don't they?

This comparison isn't exactly in your favor.
The DA* 60-250 is losing at "performance" and "value for money". It was also reviewed 4 years after the DA* 200mm. But aren't you talking about those subjective ratings - as opposed to the actual measurements - because you want to reject their D FA* 70-200 review?

**pres589** · 07-26-2017, 06:25 PM

Hey guys that D-FA*50 sounds pretty cool eh?

mee · 07-26-2017, 06:31 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pres589

Hey guys that D-FA*50 sounds pretty cool eh?

We pretty much have our own Seinfeld series on the forums.....

You Tube

awscreo · 07-26-2017, 08:59 PM

99 pages))

x4rd · 07-26-2017, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by awscreo

99 pages))

And still no glass on the market

kenspo · 07-26-2017, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by sibyrnes

Unfortunately "bigger is better" seems to be the marketing mantra today.

And the problem is?

RonHendriks1966 · 07-27-2017, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by x4rd

And still no glass on the market

Probably not even glass inside the lens....

kenspo · 07-27-2017, 12:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Probably not even glass inside the lens....

It is!

surfar · 07-27-2017, 01:32 AM - **1 Like**

99 pages on a 50,imagine what the 400mm will run to!

07-26-2017, 03:09 PM	#1476
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Kunzite So now you care about a half-subjective "rating"? Just like with Photozone, DXOMark, etc. the numbers are not comparable between systems. And by the way, the DA* 200mm was tested on the K-7. I don't really care. After being an advocate for the lens and seeing how many people it really doesn't impress because it just doesn't suit what they do, I just found it amusing that they rated it as the #1 Pentax lens. If it were court I'd say "This goes toward establishing the credibility of the witness your honour." A site that rates the 200 as the number one lens for Pentax, as far as I'm concerned has some serious credibility issues. From my experience again as an advocate for the lens, I surely hope no one goes out and buys it because of that rating. It's an excellent lens, but definitely is a focal length that doesn't suit every body's style. My DA* 60-250 , my favourite cross platform lens, didn't even get a mention. I don't get it. Excellent image quality, edge to edge, nicely corrected for CA, lighter than a 70-200, a telephoto on the K-3, a great walk around lens on the K-1, a lens several people have bought into Pentax just to be able to use it.... it's not even mentioned. There's me and one other guy on the site with a DA200 that I know of, and Drline sold his. For the record, according to forum voting the 77 ltd is the #1 Pentax lens of all time, with he 31 ltd as the also ran. Last edited by normhead; 07-26-2017 at 03:16 PM.*

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07-26-2017, 01:23 PM	#1471
sibyrnes Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 447	Unfortunately "bigger is better" seems to be the marketing mantra today. Even the Mini Cooper has gotten bigger and don't even get me started with what they have done to the Jeep!

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Every lens is a compromise. We already have the FA limited compromises. If you want strong center sharpness with decent corner sharpness at f3.5 to 4 then get an FA 43 limited. But what would be the point of making a slightly bigger FA 50 limited that is just slightly better? I think the whole point is that Pentax believes they have the small corner covered already and they are looking at other lenses that will help them stand out. The only issue is not the fact that they are releasing "big" lenses, but that they are taking so long in releasing them at all.

07-26-2017, 01:49 PM	#1473
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Ha, according to ephotozine my SMC DA* 200 is higher rated. Top 26 Best Pentax Lenses 2017 It's really hard to do comparisons. For the lenses I know ePHOTOzine's numbers are quite low. I guess each company has their own implementation. Like many sites, only the new releases have ben tested on the K-1, most having been tested on the K-5. The only cross comparison between the 70-200 and competing lenses is on price, not performance, so its not as good as what I've seen comparing Tamron, Nikon and Canon lenses. It's a complimentary review, I just can't decide what it means. But just out of interest I checked the Milvus 35 test featured on the front page. 4500 lw/ph tested on a 50.6 MP sensor. Impressive. But the fact that it's tested on a 50.6 MP sensor makes it hard to compare. Incidentally the numbers of the Milvus 35 are off the charts, but they test it on a 50.6 Canon 5Ds R, so I have no idea what that means in Pentax K-1 numbers.

07-26-2017, 01:52 PM - 1 Like	#1474
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by normhead Ha, according to ephotozine my SMC DA* 200 is higher rated. Top 26 Best Pentax Lenses 2017 I've always loved the fact that their only 'con' to that lens is "It doesn't fit other makes of camera to allow everyone to enjoy this lens."

07-26-2017, 01:59 PM	#1475
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	So now you care about a half-subjective "rating"? Just like with Photozone, DXOMark, etc. the numbers are not comparable between systems. And by the way, the DA* 200mm was tested on the K-7.

07-26-2017, 04:24 PM	#1477
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	If you were in court... advocates have other things in mind, than establishing the truth, don't they? This comparison isn't exactly in your favor. The DA* 60-250 is losing at "performance" and "value for money". It was also reviewed 4 years after the DA* 200mm. But aren't you talking about those subjective ratings - as opposed to the actual measurements - because you want to reject their D FA* 70-200 review?

07-26-2017, 06:25 PM	#1478
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Hey guys that D-FA*50 sounds pretty cool eh?

07-26-2017, 08:59 PM	#1480
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	99 pages))

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x4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 241	Originally posted by awscreo 99 pages)) And still no glass on the market

07-26-2017, 11:49 PM	#1482
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by sibyrnes Unfortunately "bigger is better" seems to be the marketing mantra today. And the problem is?

07-27-2017, 12:16 AM	#1483
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by x4rd And still no glass on the market Probably not even glass inside the lens....

07-27-2017, 12:27 AM - 1 Like	#1484
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Probably not even glass inside the lens.... It is!

07-27-2017, 01:32 AM - 1 Like	#1485
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	99 pages on a 50,imagine what the 400mm will run to!