DFA*50 1.4 coming

Kunzite · 01-21-2018, 11:27 AM

I'm not upset. And I'm supportive of a revised 50mm macro. I don't believe it will happen, but even KAF4-compatible extension tubes would be nice.

photoptimist · 01-21-2018, 11:55 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

I'm not upset. And I'm supportive of a revised 50mm macro. I don't believe it will happen, but even KAF4-compatible extension tubes would be nice.

And while they are at it, I'd love to see a KAF4 reversing ring.

The product would have: 1) the reversing ring (an adapter between KAF4 mount to filter ring screw threads) that attaches the reversed lens to the camera, 2) a small mount ring you attach to the back of the lens with KAF4 & mount ring contacts, and 3) a short curly cable to communicate the KAF4 signals and power between the camera mount and the reversed lens.

A full-function KAF4 reversing ring would enable control of the aperture and AF motor of the reversed lens.

Kunzite · 01-21-2018, 12:10 PM - **1 Like**

If you start a petition for such accessories, you'll have my signature. And if it happens, I'll even put it on my shopping list, though I cannot guarantee its priority

BrianR · 01-21-2018, 12:10 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by photoptimist

And while they are at it, I'd love to see a KAF4 reversing ring.

The product would have: 1) the reversing ring (an adapter between KAF4 mount to filter ring screw threads) that attaches the reversed lens to the camera, 2) a small mount ring you attach to the back of the lens with KAF4 & mount ring contacts, and 3) a short curly cable to communicate the KAF4 signals and power between the camera mount and the reversed lens.

A full-function KAF4 reversing ring would enable control of the aperture and AF motor of the reversed lens.

Like one of these? Meike MK-C-UP Auto Macro Extension Tube AF Reverse Adapter For Canon Camera | MeiKe Store

Only for Pentax of course

. Add in some led lights to work as a continuous ringlight (especially to help focus and compose) and an easy way to clamp on the ring flash (this might not be feasible given its existing design and inherently low working distance of a reversed lens) and it would be golden.

---------- Post added 01-21-18 at 02:35 PM ----------

Originally posted by Kunzite

If you start a petition for such accessories, you'll have my signature. And if it happens, I'll even put it on my shopping list, though I cannot guarantee its priority

I'd also put it on my list. Below it would be 2 DFA*50 1.4's, so I could reverse one onto the other. Not that I think this would be a good way to shoot macro stuff, but it would be pretty baller. Even better if the DFA*50 has some kind of gold or silver plated limted edition.

thibs · 01-21-2018, 02:02 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

None of the Pentax branded extension tubes do that - you'd need a lens with an aperture ring (and AF is obviously gone, not that it would work well).
The D FA 50mm f/2.8 macro is inexpensive enough so that's not really an issue, but as I said I'd like to see an updated version.

Anyway, it's a bit weird to complain that this D FA* 50mm f/1.4 is not a macro lens.

Who said reversing ring?
A simple extension tube with lens used 'normaly' and no problem at all.

**landofcourtness** · 01-21-2018, 06:03 PM

Any idea about the potential pricing? I know that it's a FA star lens, but the Nikon($446 for G)/Canon ($349... I know that they have L-series, but that's f1.2) equivalent 1.4s are a lot cheaper than the trinity is.

**clackers** · 01-21-2018, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by landofcourtness

Any idea about the potential pricing? I know that it's a FA star lens, but the Nikon($446 for G)/Canon ($349... I know that they have L-series, but that's f1.2) equivalent 1.4s are a lot cheaper than the trinity is.

We also have the FA50 f1.4 and the DA*55 f1.4 in K mount, this thing by its size is going to have higher performance and a higher price tag, LoC. If you're not into or can't do premium glass, it won't be your thing.

awscreo · 01-21-2018, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by landofcourtness

Any idea about the potential pricing? I know that it's a FA star lens, but the Nikon($446 for G)/Canon ($349... I know that they have L-series, but that's f1.2) equivalent 1.4s are a lot cheaper than the trinity is.

Tier wise it will be closer to this one
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video

beholder3 · 01-22-2018, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by awscreo

Tier wise it will be closer to this one
Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video

The most recent 50/1.4 was:
Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA Lens SEL50F14Z B&H Photo Video

Just add the general lens price development from 2016 to 2018 to that.

robjmitchell · 01-22-2018, 02:49 AM - **2 Likes**

But compared to the manual focus $4K Zeiss Otus 55/1.4 Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 Otus Distagon T* Lens for Canon EF 2010-056 B&H

You get a bonus K1 to go with your DFA*50/1.4 plus $500 change

D1N0 · 01-22-2018, 03:29 AM

A zeiss Milvus is $1200 though. Sony is expensive in lenses. The Sigma 50 1.4 sells for $950. I think the D FA* 50 1.4 will be something like $1200-1300

beholder3 · 01-22-2018, 04:52 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

A zeiss Milvus is $1200 though. Sony is expensive in lenses. The Sigma 50 1.4 sells for $950. I think the D FA* 50 1.4 will be something like $1200-1300

A manual focus lens today has to be cheaper by at least 50% to be able to compete in a segment or is simply exotic. The latest Super 8 film camera is a few thousand $ as well.

Similarly 3rd party lenses have to be at least 1/3 cheaper than OEM wares with the same specs or they would not sell anywhere close to what the makers need.

If the DFA would come in as cheap as you say, it obviously would be a great bargain lens.

D1N0 · 01-22-2018, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

A manual focus lens today has to be cheaper by at least 50% to be able to compete in a segment or is simply exotic

Not when it is a Zeiss. Anyway Canon's new 85 1.4 is $1600 and so is the Nikon 85mm 1.4 G. Sony's FE 85mm f1.4 is $1800. Ricoh is more likely to emulate Canonikon pricing, than it is Sony's pricing.

Winder · 01-22-2018, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by awscreo

Tier wise it will be closer to this one Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video

Originally posted by beholder3

The most recent 50/1.4 was: Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA Lens SEL50F14Z B&H Photo Video
Just add the general lens price development from 2016 to 2018 to that.

I expect the D-FA* 50mm to be less than the Sony T* FE 50mm ZA. The Sony carries the Zeiss name, has 11 rounded blades compared to the D-FA* 50mm 9 blades, and the Sony has a clickless aperture and aperture ring for people who shoot video so it will appeal to a larger market. I know the D-FA* lens is going to be excellent, but I don't see it costing much over $1,200.

Winder · 01-22-2018, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by awscreo

Tier wise it will be closer to this one Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video

Originally posted by beholder3

The most recent 50/1.4 was: Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA Lens SEL50F14Z B&H Photo Video
Just add the general lens price development from 2016 to 2018 to that.

I expect the D-FA* 50mm to be less than the Sony T* FE 50mm ZA. The Sony carries the Zeiss name, has 11 rounded blades compared to the D-FA* 50mm 9 blades, and the Sony has a clickless aperture and aperture ring for people who shoot video so it will appeal to a larger market. I know the D-FA* lens is going to be excellent, but I don't see it costing much over $1,200.

01-21-2018, 12:10 PM - 2 Likes	#2734
BrianR Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,332	Originally posted by photoptimist And while they are at it, I'd love to see a KAF4 reversing ring. The product would have: 1) the reversing ring (an adapter between KAF4 mount to filter ring screw threads) that attaches the reversed lens to the camera, 2) a small mount ring you attach to the back of the lens with KAF4 & mount ring contacts, and 3) a short curly cable to communicate the KAF4 signals and power between the camera mount and the reversed lens. A full-function KAF4 reversing ring would enable control of the aperture and AF motor of the reversed lens. Like one of these? Meike MK-C-UP Auto Macro Extension Tube AF Reverse Adapter For Canon Camera \| MeiKe Store Only for Pentax of course. Add in some led lights to work as a continuous ringlight (especially to help focus and compose) and an easy way to clamp on the ring flash (this might not be feasible given its existing design and inherently low working distance of a reversed lens) and it would be golden. ---------- Post added 01-21-18 at 02:35 PM ---------- Originally posted by Kunzite If you start a petition for such accessories, you'll have my signature. And if it happens, I'll even put it on my shopping list, though I cannot guarantee its priority I'd also put it on my list. Below it would be 2 DFA50 1.4's, so I could reverse one onto the other. Not that I think this would be a good way to shoot macro stuff, but it would be pretty baller. Even better if the DFA50 has some kind of gold or silver plated limted edition.

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01-21-2018, 11:27 AM	#2731
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I'm not upset. And I'm supportive of a revised 50mm macro. I don't believe it will happen, but even KAF4-compatible extension tubes would be nice.

01-21-2018, 11:55 AM - 4 Likes	#2732
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Originally posted by Kunzite I'm not upset. And I'm supportive of a revised 50mm macro. I don't believe it will happen, but even KAF4-compatible extension tubes would be nice. And while they are at it, I'd love to see a KAF4 reversing ring. The product would have: 1) the reversing ring (an adapter between KAF4 mount to filter ring screw threads) that attaches the reversed lens to the camera, 2) a small mount ring you attach to the back of the lens with KAF4 & mount ring contacts, and 3) a short curly cable to communicate the KAF4 signals and power between the camera mount and the reversed lens. A full-function KAF4 reversing ring would enable control of the aperture and AF motor of the reversed lens.

01-21-2018, 12:10 PM - 1 Like	#2733
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	If you start a petition for such accessories, you'll have my signature. And if it happens, I'll even put it on my shopping list, though I cannot guarantee its priority

01-21-2018, 02:02 PM - 1 Like	#2735
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Kunzite None of the Pentax branded extension tubes do that - you'd need a lens with an aperture ring (and AF is obviously gone, not that it would work well). The D FA 50mm f/2.8 macro is inexpensive enough so that's not really an issue, but as I said I'd like to see an updated version. Anyway, it's a bit weird to complain that this D FA* 50mm f/1.4 is not a macro lens. Who said reversing ring? A simple extension tube with lens used 'normaly' and no problem at all.

01-21-2018, 06:03 PM	#2736
landofcourtness Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 151	Any idea about the potential pricing? I know that it's a FA star lens, but the Nikon($446 for G)/Canon ($349... I know that they have L-series, but that's f1.2) equivalent 1.4s are a lot cheaper than the trinity is.

01-21-2018, 07:36 PM	#2737
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by landofcourtness Any idea about the potential pricing? I know that it's a FA star lens, but the Nikon($446 for G)/Canon ($349... I know that they have L-series, but that's f1.2) equivalent 1.4s are a lot cheaper than the trinity is. We also have the FA50 f1.4 and the DA*55 f1.4 in K mount, this thing by its size is going to have higher performance and a higher price tag, LoC. If you're not into or can't do premium glass, it won't be your thing.

01-21-2018, 08:45 PM	#2738
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by landofcourtness Any idea about the potential pricing? I know that it's a FA star lens, but the Nikon($446 for G)/Canon ($349... I know that they have L-series, but that's f1.2) equivalent 1.4s are a lot cheaper than the trinity is. Tier wise it will be closer to this one Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video

01-22-2018, 02:40 AM	#2739
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by awscreo Tier wise it will be closer to this one Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video The most recent 50/1.4 was: Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA Lens SEL50F14Z B&H Photo Video Just add the general lens price development from 2016 to 2018 to that.

01-22-2018, 02:49 AM - 2 Likes	#2740
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	But compared to the manual focus $4K Zeiss Otus 55/1.4 Zeiss 55mm f/1.4 Otus Distagon T* Lens for Canon EF 2010-056 B&H You get a bonus K1 to go with your DFA*50/1.4 plus $500 change

01-22-2018, 03:29 AM	#2741
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	A zeiss Milvus is $1200 though. Sony is expensive in lenses. The Sigma 50 1.4 sells for $950. I think the D FA* 50 1.4 will be something like $1200-1300

01-22-2018, 04:52 AM	#2742
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by D1N0 A zeiss Milvus is $1200 though. Sony is expensive in lenses. The Sigma 50 1.4 sells for $950. I think the D FA* 50 1.4 will be something like $1200-1300 A manual focus lens today has to be cheaper by at least 50% to be able to compete in a segment or is simply exotic. The latest Super 8 film camera is a few thousand $ as well. Similarly 3rd party lenses have to be at least 1/3 cheaper than OEM wares with the same specs or they would not sell anywhere close to what the makers need. If the DFA would come in as cheap as you say, it obviously would be a great bargain lens.

01-22-2018, 06:10 AM	#2743
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by beholder3 A manual focus lens today has to be cheaper by at least 50% to be able to compete in a segment or is simply exotic Not when it is a Zeiss. Anyway Canon's new 85 1.4 is $1600 and so is the Nikon 85mm 1.4 G. Sony's FE 85mm f1.4 is $1800. Ricoh is more likely to emulate Canonikon pricing, than it is Sony's pricing.

01-22-2018, 06:57 AM	#2744
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by awscreo Tier wise it will be closer to this one Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video Originally posted by beholder3 The most recent 50/1.4 was: Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA Lens SEL50F14Z B&H Photo Video Just add the general lens price development from 2016 to 2018 to that. I expect the D-FA* 50mm to be less than the Sony T* FE 50mm ZA. The Sony carries the Zeiss name, has 11 rounded blades compared to the D-FA* 50mm 9 blades, and the Sony has a clickless aperture and aperture ring for people who shoot video so it will appeal to a larger market. I know the D-FA* lens is going to be excellent, but I don't see it costing much over $1,200.

01-22-2018, 06:58 AM	#2745
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by awscreo Tier wise it will be closer to this one Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 58mm f/1.4G Lens 2210 B&H Photo Video Originally posted by beholder3 The most recent 50/1.4 was: Sony Planar T* FE 50mm f/1.4 ZA Lens SEL50F14Z B&H Photo Video Just add the general lens price development from 2016 to 2018 to that. I expect the D-FA* 50mm to be less than the Sony T* FE 50mm ZA. The Sony carries the Zeiss name, has 11 rounded blades compared to the D-FA* 50mm 9 blades, and the Sony has a clickless aperture and aperture ring for people who shoot video so it will appeal to a larger market. I know the D-FA* lens is going to be excellent, but I don't see it costing much over $1,200.