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06-10-2017, 05:53 AM   #421
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Yeah, the company that has financial loses AND is partially own by Sony will buy RI....
Gave this another thought. Actually it wouldn't be a mad idea if Tamron would buy Pentax K-mount.

- you buy products and design of lenses and camera's of them.
- The production facility of K-mount camera's in Phillipines. Trim the facility down, since no 645 and a smaller production.
- Production tools for lenses, but not the Vietnam plant, since those lenses will be made in their own plant. Maybe a few key people involved in the production.
- In R&D you take those involved in camera design. Not the once for lenses, or maybe a few.
- You don't take the sales departement, since you have it yourself, or maybe just a few people.

So you only take half of Ricoh-Imaging and still have a camera line with K-70, KP, K-3ii and K-1. A full line of lenses that can be completed with some own Tamron lenses made for Kaf4. That can make a healthy profit.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Gave this another thought. Actually it wouldn't be a mad idea if Tamron would buy Pentax K-mount.

So you only take half of Ricoh-Imaging and still have a camera line with K-70, KP, K-3ii and K-1. A full line of lenses that can be completed with some own Tamron lenses made for Kaf4. That can make a healthy profit.
It's time to see a shrink.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Gave this another thought. Actually it wouldn't be a mad idea if Tamron would buy Pentax K-mount.

- you buy products and design of lenses and camera's of them.
- The production facility of K-mount camera's in Phillipines. Trim the facility down, since no 645 and a smaller production.
- Production tools for lenses, but not the Vietnam plant, since those lenses will be made in their own plant. Maybe a few key people involved in the production.
- In R&D you take those involved in camera design. Not the once for lenses, or maybe a few.
- You don't take the sales departement, since you have it yourself, or maybe just a few people.

So you only take half of Ricoh-Imaging and still have a camera line with K-70, KP, K-3ii and K-1. A full line of lenses that can be completed with some own Tamron lenses made for Kaf4. That can make a healthy profit.
With Sony being the largest shareholder of Tamron, I don't see that ever happening.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Gave this another thought. Actually it wouldn't be a mad idea if Tamron would buy Pentax K-mount.

- you buy products and design of lenses and camera's of them.
- The production facility of K-mount camera's in Phillipines. Trim the facility down, since no 645 and a smaller production.
- Production tools for lenses, but not the Vietnam plant, since those lenses will be made in their own plant. Maybe a few key people involved in the production.
- In R&D you take those involved in camera design. Not the once for lenses, or maybe a few.
- You don't take the sales departement, since you have it yourself, or maybe just a few people.

So you only take half of Ricoh-Imaging and still have a camera line with K-70, KP, K-3ii and K-1. A full line of lenses that can be completed with some own Tamron lenses made for Kaf4. That can make a healthy profit.
Your attempts to thoughts always make me think. Hmm. Most of us lack any insight in camera business. Most keep their interpretations of it at a reasonably low level. Helps to avoid dissapointment if the normative power of the factual proves speculation wrong, again and again.

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Not to my eye. For most lenses, sharpness comes into play in a significant way only in heavy cropping or pixel-peeping situations. I'd be careful of equating character to undesirable optical aberrations. Transitions from in-focus to out-of-focus areas, local effect of highlights, suppression of flaring in direct light sources, etc. are lens-specific attributes which cannot be mimicked by simple post-processing.
Actually, all of the aspects you mention can be mimicked by technique and post processing.

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If photography is limited to making the most faithful 2D representation of a 3D scene, then I agree sharpness is king. But I think photography for many folks goes way beyond that paradigm.
Perhaps so. However, judging from the many snapshots on the forums, most people seem to just want a faithful 2D representation of a 3D scene.

But you can get that and more with a 'pure' performing lens since your baseline is clean. If you want to nuke your image in effects go for it. If you want to keep the image sharp and clean ('sterile') go for it. You have the option when your baseline is adaptable to both ends and anywhere between. However if the 'effects' are baked into the lens, then one doesn't have as much leeway. You can't take the eggs out of the cake.

That said, if they are happy with the defined 'qualities' of the lens, then that makes photography easier -- less work in post.

In any case, Pentax is offering a new wave of lenses and we're either onboard or not.. personal choice!

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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Gave this another thought. Actually it wouldn't be a mad idea if Tamron would buy Pentax K-mount.

- you buy products and design of lenses and camera's of them.
- The production facility of K-mount camera's in Phillipines. Trim the facility down, since no 645 and a smaller production.
- Production tools for lenses, but not the Vietnam plant, since those lenses will be made in their own plant. Maybe a few key people involved in the production.
- In R&D you take those involved in camera design. Not the once for lenses, or maybe a few.
- You don't take the sales departement, since you have it yourself, or maybe just a few people.

So you only take half of Ricoh-Imaging and still have a camera line with K-70, KP, K-3ii and K-1. A full line of lenses that can be completed with some own Tamron lenses made for Kaf4. That can make a healthy profit.
I think a better approach would be a stronger partnership, but not actual ownership.

Either way, I don't see it happening. I'm more interested in what lens designs we see come out of China in the next 5 years. I suspect they'll 'perfect' autofocus support in the years to come and it will become a serious thorn in the side of Tamron, Sigma, and every OEM.
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Your attempts to thoughts always make me think. Hmm. Most of us lack any insight in camera business. Most keep their interpretations of it at a reasonably low level. Helps to avoid dissapointment if the normative power of the factual proves speculation wrong, again and again.
Well most are asking for this or that product or feature. Key question is how to make a future that is profitable. In a shrinking market there is money to save by not doing to many things the same over and over again.
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Seriously, as far as I can see, being owned by Tamron would be the end of Pentax - if all the lenses they produced were available to everyone - with no unique offering and owned by a company with no history of camera building it would just be a name which soon ceased to exist. Imho.

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Seriously, as far as I can see, being owned by Tamron would be the end of Pentax - if all the lenses they produced were available to everyone - with no unique offering and owned by a company with no history of camera building it would just be a name which soon ceased to exist. Imho.
Well.. Sigma has their own line of cameras and offer all of the lenses available to that camera line to competing camera manufacturers. So I'm not sure that is an issue.

Plus they would have a history of camera building as the current Pentax designers would theoretically come with the sale.

It does make some sense if the market is seriously contracting to merge and unite. But I still don't see it happening..
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Pentax is a brand name owned by Ricoh Imaging Co., Ltd. Ricoh Imaging Co., Ltd. is an operating subsidiary of Ricoh Corp. At this time neither the brand name nor the subsidiary is for sale.

Stop spreading FUD.
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Pentax is a brand name owned by Ricoh Imaging Co., Ltd. Ricoh Imaging Co., Ltd. is an operating subsidiary of Ricoh Corp. At this time neither the brand name nor the subsidiary is for sale.

Stop spreading FUD.
No one is spreading 'FUD' or any rumors about this.. we're discussing the feasibility (or lack thereof) of Pentax and Tamron becoming one entity. No one thus far has claimed this is in the works, nor is it implied. We're just spit-balling a theoretical idea.. please relax!
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Which has what again to do with the 85/1.4?
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Which has what again to do with the 85/1.4?
Since when did we stick to the topic? The largest thread on the site is not about the initial topic (K-3).
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Which has what again to do with the 85/1.4?
Someone asked in this thread about this. Well with Tamron there comes lenses, so the idea is not that off.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
No one is spreading 'FUD' or any rumors about this.. we're discussing the feasibility (or lack thereof) of Pentax and Tamron becoming one entity. No one thus far has claimed this is in the works, nor is it implied. We're just spit-balling a theoretical idea.. please relax!
That's spreading FUD while pretending you're doing no harm. It's no different than "discussing the feasibility (or lack thereof) of Pentax disappearing altogether by the end of the year".

Tamron buying (parts of) Ricoh Imaging is complete madness and it doesn't make any ounce of sense - just like giving up on the K-1, or APS-H cameras. The only reason to talk about it is to shed doubt on Pentax' survival.
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