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08-20-2017, 12:23 PM   #616
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
easy to check the reviews

not only resolution
So why write what you wrote?

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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
So why write what you wrote?
I don't understand you
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I don't "make you funny" - whatever that means; but your attacks are laughable.
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All attacks are only in your head.
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My opinion is easy and simple.
1. Ricoh never could offer optically better (and fast or super fast) lenses than Sigma Art for wide-angle.
2. All Sigma Art lenses are one of the best lenses at the modern market.
3. If Ricoh could produce DFA24/2 AW optically without flaws it will be the big surprise and success.

It's all.

08-20-2017, 12:44 PM   #620
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
All attacks are only in your head.
Really?
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Your arguments are arguments of man who understand nothing in ultra wide angles lenses and the troubles in designing and manufacturing of such lenses. Sigmas are close to perfect for ultra wide lenses at 50 MP sensor. If you can't understand it, it's really problem.
All Pentax D FA* lenses are one of the best lenses at the modern market.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Really?


All Pentax D FA* lenses are one of the best lenses at the modern market.
You see bad! Once again I will repeat .. DFA 24-70 \ 2.8 The average lens, I owned it! I say that for FF there is no choice! I have 5dm3 + Canon 24-70 \ 2.8 (1) do not blindly defend your favorite brand, I only ask that Pentax quickly release a large selection of lenses for FF.
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Like I told ogl, please read what I'm writing.
I said "all Pentax D FA* lenses". Notice the star? That's not an accidental key press; it's part of the lens' name and it means it's a high-end product.
So I'm right, and you are way off with your observation regarding the Tamron-made D FA 24-70.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
My opinion is easy and simple.
1. Ricoh never could offer optically better (and fast or super fast) lenses than Sigma Art for wide-angle.
2. All Sigma Art lenses are one of the best lenses at the modern market.
3. If Ricoh could produce DFA24/2 AW optically without flaws it will be the big surprise and success.

It's all.
There is no reason to believe that Ricoh can't produce a lens that is better than a Sigma ART lens. I'm a fan of the Sigma lenses and I bought the Sigma 50mm and 85mm F/1.4 lenses over the Pentax DA* 55mm and 77mm LTD. The D-FA* 70-200mm is optically as good as any lens in its class made by any company. The D-FA* 70-200mm does have a problem with minimal focus at 200mm, but optically it is amazing on the K-1. Ricoh has shown it can make top quality class. Ricoh has yet to show they can make it quickly.

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DFA 24-70 \ 2.8 The average lens, I owned it!
Then you bought a bad copy. The lens is quite good for the money. Yes, the $2,200 Sony 24-70mm GM is better. Yes, the Canon 24-70L is better ($1,800.00) . Yes, the $2,400 Nikon is better than the $1,300 Pentax lens, but not by a whole lot. The Pentax does require more software correction and the build qulaity is not D-FA* quality, but its definitely worh the $1,300 it sells for.

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I put K-1 on sale, because I'm tired of waiting when I can buy myself 50, 85 \ 1.4 ... I need these lenses now !!! It's very bad that there is no information when the lenses go on sale ((Also I need 24-70 \ 2.8 (Tamron do not want)
Seriously, you can't find mojo with what's already out? Go to eBay and get a used FA*85 from Japan til then, or get a new DFA 70-200 which already has 85 baked in. I can wait til the next awesome lens, and will buy it. But to give up waiting? Come on....
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QuoteOriginally posted by dcpropilot Quote
Seriously, you can't find mojo with what's already out? Go to eBay and get a used FA*85 from Japan til then, or get a new DFA 70-200 which already has 85 baked in. I can wait til the next awesome lens, and will buy it. But to give up waiting? Come on....
70-200 does f/1.4 at 85mm ?

I can understand his frustration. I don't want an 85 mil but am in serious want of ff lenses not yet launched in K. At this point I'm probably close to jumping too. But am riding out a bit longer to see what happens. That said, everyone is different.

With that in mind, we can't objectively argue the IQ/rendering or handling of one lenses is vastly superior to the other for another person. If that person finds a lens good or bad that is a valid opinion. It is their (valid) opinion. Because these discussions are based around subjective claims.

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Which is why these arguments tend to loop over and over and over again..
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I'm waiting the new primes myself - especially the ultra wide angle, which is something I don't have covered with my current lenses. I can afford, and I'm willing to do that - but I understand if others cannot, or will not.
However, in this case I can't help but notice a "Pentax lenses can't be good" pattern
By the way, Photozone tested both the Tamron 24-70 and the Canon 24-70 L:
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 USM L - Full Format Review / Test Report - Analysis
Tamron AF 24-70mm f/2.8 SP Di USD VC (Canon EOS) - Full Format Review / Lens Test - Analysis

At the very least, we should find out more about the first two D FA* lenses at CP+, IMO; a release is likely.
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What interests me is the absolute radio silence of @asahi man since 06/24 (*35) and @kenspo (more than one, can't say more) since 07/18.

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I can understand the observation that Ricoh is slow to release lenses, but I don't understand the idea that they can't design good ones. When was the last time Ricoh released an underperforming lens? I mean, considering who the lens is aimed at. Even the "boring" lenses, the 55-300 PLM turned out to be really good.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
My opinion is easy and simple.
1. Ricoh never could offer optically better (and fast or super fast) lenses than Sigma Art for wide-angle.
2. All Sigma Art lenses are one of the best lenses at the modern market.
3. If Ricoh could produce DFA24/2 AW optically without flaws it will be the big surprise and success.

It's all.
You should see the article <Depth of Field and Bokeh>
https://dslrpro.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Depth-of-Field-and-Bokeh.pdf,maybe you can konw more what is best.
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QuoteOriginally posted by dcpropilot Quote
Seriously, you can't find mojo with what's already out? Go to eBay and get a used FA*85 from Japan til then, or get a new DFA 70-200 which already has 85 baked in. I can wait til the next awesome lens, and will buy it. But to give up waiting? Come on....

1-FA * 85 hard to find in our region in good condition, + without warranty, + screwdriver + price 60-70 000 rub.

2- 70-200 (85 \ 2.8) + weight: 1755 g the price of 120 000 rubles. . ... Sigma ART 85 / 1.4 weight 1131 g price 70000 rub.+new warranty
I'm not on the drain rich, that would throw money away ((

Ps. If someone gives me a FA 28-70 \ 2.8 + FA 85 \ 1.8, I'll close my mouth and I'll wait for DFA and I'll leave Pentax to myself for always, for creativity
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