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12-03-2017, 11:20 AM   #1396
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QuoteOriginally posted by Dan Rentea Quote
As I said, we live in 2 different worlds and unless you provide facts when you participate to discussions (or at least some pictures to see if you're just a forum guy or a photographer), for me it's not worth the effort in talking to you. Call it personal or whatever, but I'm tired of listening how you are interested in doing things, but only on paper. On paper you wanted an workshop-type meeting, on paper you wanted to come to photograph birds, on paper you are good at doing things. We on the other hand (yes, Pentax shooters also) are actually do the stuff you wrote about here that you want to do. Finding excuses for each thing that you "can't do" for me it's funny, at least. Even with the non existing support of Pentax in Romania and I was still able to test K1 with the new lenses and apreciate the improvements that Ricoh has done. When you really want to do something, fell free to contact me. I'm always open to any kind of idea that involve shooting and socialising at the same time. Until then, let's make a service for everybody and start ignore each other in topics. This will be my last comment to you in PentaxForum until I see that you are actually start to do the things you're talking about.

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So, you say that I have to pay each time:
- 4500$ to buy 3 lenses and see which one is the best for me
or
- 3.000 - 4.000$ for a 5D Mark IV/5DsR, etc. to see if it fits my needs, even if I have the option to return that gear after 4-5 days and get my money back? If I tell this to Pentax users or if I and another 3-4 friends of mine will do this if we want to play with Pentax products again, Pentax dealer will be out of business in 3 weeks.

On a serious note, with lenses maybe I can do that, but not with cameras. There is a buying rule that say if you have more than 300 actuations taken with a camera, you can't return it and get all your money back because it can't be sell anymore as new. So, renting for me is the best option.

If there were 3 or 4 Pentax full frame on the market, how would you chose the right one for you? Based on specs and internet reviews?
We should clarify that EU law was not set up for the customer to test equipment but rather to allow the customer to withdraw from a puchase made online or via phone in case he regrets afterwards. Different reason for the law, same result. At the end, someone has to pay for this policy somehow. I prefer renting gear if I want to test. Tested the 150-450 and returned it. I think that is a fair deal. I could have ordered a new one and play with it for 30 days, just to creat an open box for someone else. My rental company offers 50% return of the rental fee in case of a purchase.
Earning gold customer status, ... you have to show that you have serious interest in something. Extra service should go along with extra interest and the willingness to pay for it somehow.
If you are really short on money, work the system.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Dan Rentea Quote
And looking at the lenses release by Ricoh since K1 came into market, they have the knowledge to make this 85mm lens one that will be a must have for the portrait photographers.
Come on, it will be the only available 85mm prime for the K1. That is the real must have reason. Like it or leave it (and leave Pentax at the same time).
So far Pentax has shown mostly Tamron designs with K1 and a really large and heavy D-FA70-200. And the 85 is still no released at all.

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Mostly Tamron designs? Rotflmao
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"mostly, adverb: as regards the greater part or number.".
Let's see: from the new D FA lenses, we have 2 rebadged Tamrons: the D FA 15-30 f/2.8 and the D FA 24-70 f/2.8.
We have 3 Pentax designs: the D FA 150-450, the D FA* 70-200 f/2.8 and the D FA 28-105. Even in the most unfavorable conditions (restricting the count to the 5 new D FA lenses), there's no "mostly Tamron designs".
Neither of the D FA* primes will be Tamrons either.

Sorry, but we're reaching a point where people assumes any Pentax design "must" be a Tamron, so accuracy is important.

Otherwise yes, this D FA* 85mm f/1.4 will be the only top-level 85mm for the K-mount so that makes it quite important (despite complaints about price and size).
There are some manual 3rd-party options, and the FA 77mm Limited, and some discontinued lenses - but it's not the same. I hope for some good news at CP+.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
We should clarify that EU law was not set up for the customer to test equipment but rather to allow the customer to withdraw from a puchase made online or via phone in case he regrets afterwards. Different reason for the law, same result. At the end, someone has to pay for this policy somehow. I prefer renting gear if I want to test. Tested the 150-450 and returned it. I think that is a fair deal. I could have ordered a new one and play with it for 30 days, just to creat an open box for someone else. My rental company offers 50% return of the rental fee in case of a purchase.
Earning gold customer status, ... you have to show that you have serious interest in something. Extra service should go along with extra interest and the willingness to pay for it somehow.
If you are really short on money, work the system.

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Come on, it will be the only available 85mm prime for the K1. That is the real must have reason. Like it or leave it (and leave Pentax at the same time).
So far Pentax has shown mostly Tamron designs with K1 and a really large and heavy D-FA70-200. And the 85 is still no released at all.
All the 70-200 f2.8 lenses are big and heavy. The Pentax lens is really not much different in size. It was 1755 grams,while the Canon 70-200 f2.8 weighs 1500 grams and the Nikon 70-200 f2.8 weighs 1540 grams -- not a huge difference in my book.

My expectation is that the Pentax DFA lenses will be excellent lenses. Every brand has top end lenses and these should fit the bill for Pentax. Is it enough to draw photographers who currently shoot with other brands? Probably not, but I do think the K-1 offers certain features that aren't available elsewhere in the market place and if you are someone who shoots a lot of landscapes or does astro photography, Pentax has some features that could be really attractive.

I sense a lot of antagonism on your part, but I would just leave it at this: every brand has good points and places where they are weak. Pentax is no different, just smaller. It isn't the end of the world if Pentax doesn't work for you to switch to a different brand and it is far better to shoot with gear that makes you happy than to wish you had something better that was offered by a different brand.

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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
We should clarify that EU law was not set up for the customer to test equipment but rather to allow the customer to withdraw from a puchase made online or via phone in case he regrets afterwards. Different reason for the law, same result. At the end, someone has to pay for this policy somehow. I prefer renting gear if I want to test. Tested the 150-450 and returned it. I think that is a fair deal. I could have ordered a new one and play with it for 30 days, just to creat an open box for someone else. My rental company offers 50% return of the rental fee in case of a purchase.
Earning gold customer status, ... you have to show that you have serious interest in something. Extra service should go along with extra interest and the willingness to pay for it somehow.
If you are really short on money, work the system.
I also prefer the renting option instead of buying and return option, but others prefer the other way. Each with his choices.

QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
Come on, it will be the only available 85mm prime for the K1. That is the real must have reason. Like it or leave it (and leave Pentax at the same time).
So far Pentax has shown mostly Tamron designs with K1 and a really large and heavy D-FA70-200. And the 85 is still no released at all.
For those who shoots weddings or portraits, this lens may be another reason for Pentax users to stay in Pentax's boat. Pentax FA 77mm f1.8 Limited is very slow and it has a lot of chromatic aberrations, so this new lens is going to be a nice addition for a lot of people, even if it will not be a light lens. Look at the new released Canon 85mm f1.4L IS lens. It weighs 950g. It's a heavy lens, but I will choose it anytime instead of the 70-200mm f2.8L lens because it's still 550g lighter than the zoom lens and because the f1.4 aperture it's better than f2.8 in places not so well lit (a church or a restaurant for example).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Dan Rentea Quote
For those who shoots weddings or portraits, this lens may be another reason for Pentax users to stay in Pentax's boat.
What he said ^^
Many of Pentax' new developments are in the yet another reason for demanding Pentax users to stay in Pentax' boat category. And, there are long term implications, beyond the mere presence of an 85mm f/1.4: the introduction of ring-type SDM.
Those two points can't be stressed enough.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
So far Pentax has shown mostly Tamron designs with K1.
(Laughs)

Light on for facts again, Zapp?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Dan Rentea Quote
- Canon 16-35mm f4L IS (light, excelent in terms of optics, good build); it's excelent for landscape, corporate events and large indoor portraits with flash
Npw. you're making me drool.

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Npw. you're making me drool.
Probably it will come a similar lens in Pentax mount. It has to sooner or later... Ricoh created the f2.8 zooms first probably because a lot of people want this kind of lenses. Although I'm not a fan of f2.8 zooms because those lenses are big and heavy, I understand their choice. I use primes when I need an aperture between f1.8 and f2.8 and I use f4 zooms when I want to travel light and have excelent IQ. Pentax 15-30mm f2.8 is one heavy lens (1040g). Canon 16-35mm f4 weights 615g. Even Canon 16-35mm f2.8L III weights 790g, but it's quite expensive (almost 40% more expensive than Pentax 15-30mm, at least in my country).

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
"mostly, adverb: as regards the greater part or number.".
Let's see: from the new D FA lenses, we have 2 rebadged Tamrons: the D FA 15-30 f/2.8 and the D FA 24-70 f/2.8.
We have 3 Pentax designs: the D FA 150-450, the D FA* 70-200 f/2.8 and the D FA 28-105. Even in the most unfavorable conditions (restricting the count to the 5 new D FA lenses), there's no "mostly Tamron designs".
Neither of the D FA* primes will be Tamrons either.

Sorry, but we're reaching a point where people assumes any Pentax design "must" be a Tamron, so accuracy is important.

Otherwise yes, this D FA* 85mm f/1.4 will be the only top-level 85mm for the K-mount so that makes it quite important (despite complaints about price and size).
There are some manual 3rd-party options, and the FA 77mm Limited, and some discontinued lenses - but it's not the same. I hope for some good news at CP+.
Quote the complete post and redo your maths:
We have 4 new D-FA lenses plus the D-FA 70-200. 2 Tamron designs, 2 are from Pentax. 50% is still not a majoritay, admitted, but pretty sad for a camera and lens manufacturer and as close as possible to the word majority. I think my exaggeration outweighs your maths.

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All the 70-200 f2.8 lenses are big and heavy. The Pentax lens is really not much different in size. It was 1755 grams,while the Canon 70-200 f2.8 weighs 1500 grams and the Nikon 70-200 f2.8 weighs 1540 grams -- not a huge difference in my book.
I worked with the very first autofocus 2.8/80-200 which weight 1280g and already felt heavy. OK lenses have to get better, need different AF motors, ...they get bigger and heavier. My Pentax 2.8/70-200 is 1755g without the tripod food. All the other lenses mentioned above weigh 250g less, make your Math and don't tell me that 250g do not matter. Thank you Pentax for adding a lot of weight at no extra charge. A weight difference of 250g is easily felt when you actually use a lens for more than 10 minutes - the thing with the lever arm and the weight is Physics and not Maths for the smart bunch here.

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Let's write down the actual products:
Pentax new D FA lenses:
+ D FA 150-450mm
+ D FA* 70-200mm
+ D FA 28-105
+ pre-announced: D FA* 50mm f/1.4
Pentax/Tamron D FAs:
+ D FA 15-30mm
+ D FA 24-70mm

The claim of majority was yours, and in the other direction: "So far Pentax has shown mostly Tamron designs with K1".
There is no logical reason to separate the D FA* 70-200mm; were it a Tamron rebadge, I'm sure you'd be happily count it in. You could've also said: "0 Pentax D FA lenses plus the 150-450, 70-200 and 28-105. Wow, they're all Tamron rebadges!"
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
+ pre-announced: D FA* 50mm f/1.4
The post is about DFA85* 1.4

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The DFA*50 1.4 will come in 2018, but the one to have for people photography on full frame is the DFA *85 1.4

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The D FA* 85mm f/1.4 was not pre-announced yet - the minimal criteria for considering it an actual product. I believe a 2018 launch is very likely, but we have no information in this regard.
Of course, the D FA* 85mm f/1.4 won't be a Tamron, either.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
The D FA* 85mm f/1.4 was not pre-announced yet - the minimal criteria for considering it an actual product.
It was pre announced, DFA85 coming. So it's one more lens to add to the available lenses.
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All right, we're talking about different things here.
The D FA* 85mm f/1.4 is on the roadmap and it was named as a D FA* 85mm f/1.4 (instead of a "large aperture short telephoto single focal length"). At this point this is the only thing differentiating it from the other D FA lenses on the roadmap.
The D FA* 50mm f/1.4 was pre-announced, with the full name (tentative), some basic details (ring-type SDM, KAF4 mount, minimum focus distance) and availability (spring) here: RICOH develops new-generation, high-performance Star-series lenses for digital SLR cameras?RICOH IMAGING

Each of us can decide on his own if to include it on the list of actual products or not.
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