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04-05-2018, 05:00 PM   #1456
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I am kind of in portrait limbo. I'd love to pick up the FA 85 again, but replacement gear parts are becoming extinct. For the new 85, I'd love to have a lens designed specifically for portraits like the FA 85 but weather sealed, faster, ring-motor AF, and new coatings/less CA.

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15 months after original post none of the roadmap lenses is available.
If you put something with names and focal length on a road map, Pentax, some people expect availability within reasonable time.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
15 months after original post none of the roadmap lenses is available.
If you put something with names and focal length on a road map, Pentax, some people expect availability within reasonable time.
Why?

The lens road map says clearly that the 11-18 and DFA *50 are coming out this summer (the 50 was initially supposed to come out this spring). The 85 says 2019 on it and the 70-200 f4 says Spring 2019. All the other road mapped lenses say "2019 or later." Other than idle speculation on the forum that maybe these lenses would come sooner, there is no reason to think that. We will get 11-18 for APS-C and DFA *50 this year. We will get the 85 and 70-200 f4 next year. I wouldn't expect any of the other lenses before 2020.

The issue isn't really what Pentax says -- they may delay things by a few months -- the issue is what people imagine should happen and then say will happen.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
15 months after original post none of the roadmap lenses is available.
If you put something with names and focal length on a road map, Pentax, some people expect availability within reasonable time.
That some people think a roadmap is some sort of promise is why most companies just won't do them, Zapp.



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That some people think a roadmap is some sort of promise is why most companies just won't do them, Zapp.
But if you roadmap something for "2019," I don't think it is appropriate to complain when it isn't released in 2017, or 2018 for that matter.
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Products on the roadmap are late from the moment they're put there - even if no date was promised

Not long ago, I tried to discuss with someone about the difference from having a roadmap - say, for "2017 or later" - and promising a date for a product (in an official press release, and also reflected on the roadmap by a tiny date label put on top of the product). It was a futile attempt.
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The clear thing is, you put out a roadmap and some folks can't handle it emotionally. Some folks just want everything right now. See it. Want it. I look at it and think, "they might do this someday". Others think it's like Pentax signed a contract with a penalty clause. The penalty being them moaning on line if their expectations aren't met. That roadmap gives no firm dates describes everything as range, it's more a guide to what the engineers are focusing on than a hard estimate of when things will happen.
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I'm every bit as impatient as the moaners, if not more. What I'm waiting for, I want it in my bag - yesterday.
But I have to be realistic about what I can reasonably expect, because no amount of whining or wishful thinking can change reality. Nope, you can't speed up the process by complaining.

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I hope it will be worthy for waiting those lenses... I really love my k1 and it deserves better fast focus capacibility modern lenses...
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But if you roadmap something for "2019," I don't think it is appropriate to complain when it isn't released in 2017, or 2018 for that matter.
The roadmap published in Feb 2016 had the primes lenses on it for release in 2017 or later - not very precise, but 2+ year old information.
The roadmap published Feb 2017 went further and had D-FA* 1.4/50 and D-FA* 1.4/85 with tentative names on it. That is quite precise.
The D-FA* 1.4/50 and the DA* 11-28 were announced in Oct 2017.
It is May 2018 now and it is easy to adjust roadmap. The real point is that Pentax has not really shown signs of live in their lens department since 2016 after the release of FF camera and a couple zooms.
Companies report in quarters, so something went really wrong in Pentax land. Pentax cannot deliver and there is no other way to get out of this story other than delivering lenses.

Don't call me naive to assume that a roadmap from 2016 onwards should not have a meaning. Pentax has trouble releasing lenses, even lenses that have names since early 2017. A roadmap is supposed to build trust. A roadmap with no meaning results in the opposite. Pentax needs a roadmap to show action. This is why Pentax has a roadmap, not because they are nice people.
Pentax is also not in the game for replacing existing lenses in the near future with something new. All the roadmap lenses fill gaps.
Other companies have less gaps in their lens lineup and don't want to reduce sales of current lens designs. It is that simple.

Let's wait for another 15 months and see what happens.

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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
Don't call me naive to assume that a roadmap from 2016 onwards should have a meaning. Pentax has trouble releasing lenses, even lenses that have names since early 2017. A roadmap is supposed to build trust. A roadmap with no meaning results in the opposite. Pentax needs a roadmap to show action. This is why Pentax has a roadmap.
Apparently, they have chosen to spend a bit more money on advertising rather than new lenses. Investing some money into advertising is not a bad thing.
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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
The roadmap published in Feb 2016 had the primes lenses on it for release in 2017 or later - not very precise, but 2+ year old information.
The roadmap published Feb 2017 went further and had D-FA* 1.4/50 and D-FA* 1.4/85 with tentative names on it. That is quite precise.
The D-FA* 1.4/50 and the DA* 11-28 were announced in Oct 2017.
It is May 2018 now and it is easy to adjust roadmap. The real point is that Pentax has not really shown signs of live in their lens department since 2016 after the release of FF camera and a couple zooms.
Companies report in quarters, so something went really wrong in Pentax land. Pentax cannot deliver and there is no other way to get out of this story other than delivering lenses.

Don't call me naive to assume that a roadmap from 2016 onwards should not have a meaning. Pentax has trouble releasing lenses, even lenses that have names since early 2017. A roadmap is supposed to build trust. A roadmap with no meaning results in the opposite. Pentax needs a roadmap to show action. This is why Pentax has a roadmap, not because they are nice people.
Pentax is also not in the game for replacing existing lenses in the near future with something new. All the roadmap lenses fill gaps.
Other companies have less gaps in their lens lineup and don't want to reduce sales of current lens designs. It is that simple.

Let's wait for another 15 months and see what happens.
Let’s just admit that Pentax is a horrible, lying, cheating failure of a company that intentionally misled its customers and has failed to deliver on every promise it made now and will forever. AMEN.

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QuoteOriginally posted by zapp Quote
The roadmap published in Feb 2016 had the primes lenses on it for release in 2017 or later...
There is no contract to deliver to you any product on any date, Zapp.

Are you really going to post repeatedly to these threads?

Ironically, your audience has lost patience with what you're delivering.
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If there is no new Pentax prime, we'll get one in a different mount.
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The problem is not the roadmap. IIRC they published a very generic one just after the release of the K-1. Since then the horizon of the roadmap has been kept well beyond the immediate future.
Formally there are no deadlines that haven't been met. The real issue is the credibility of Ricoh/Pentax as top quality independent lens maker.
From the very little we know, and using some common sense based on actual incontrovertible facts, it's quite obvious that Hoya zeroed the optical design department.
Knowhow comes from the experience of human beings. Intellectual property (like patents) is not as important.
If you fire engineers and technicians, rebuilding on the ashes is not easy nor quick.
Some great optical designers of the past were visionary geniuses. Fortunately today there are powerful computers (and specialistic software), but brilliant, competent minds are still extremely important.
Once I had access to a professional lens design application. Even a complete newbie can calculate a triplet or a tessar, using standard Schott or Hoya optical glasses.
Designing a complex objective comparable to the best designs is a completely different thing.
Some forum users seem to favour the re-release of some of the best film-era optics, with WR, in-lens AF, improved MC, etc. I guess it would be perfectly feasible, but I'm afraid it would make little sense commercially. When people see the MTF charts, I'm not sure they would invest their hard-earned money (Pentax optics are not cheap!) in lenses that don't perform at the same level of the competition (or current high-quality third party offerings).
Releasing "good enough" dated designs would be suicidal. People would buy recent second-hand alternatives, or third party ones still available brand new. Both options would be way cheaper.
On the other hand, continuing to outsource basic elements of the lens line-up would be simply crazy, if it's not perceived as a transitional solution. People don't like to buy Pentax branded third party lenses that cost much more than the originals. If that is the path, much better to stick with cameras, concentrating R&D investments on software (AF algorithms are the other weak spot). Other subjects would take care of the optics...
Though I'm quite sure that such choice would not be accepted by the small, loyal user base Pentax is depending on.
Taking into account all that, I guess the only option is to wait and see, without too much complaining
Ideally, Ricoh would need a robust investment in optical R&D, a visionary head designer, and their own little glass foundry. Given the current situation of the market, it's a pipe dream

No complaining, some hope... and a lot of nostalgia.
Even forgetting about the golden age, please check the wave of optical releases across the new century. I'm testing a few of those silver consumer zooms, and I'm absolutely amazed by how such cheap, wobbly, poorly built lenses can perform, even on a high-megapixel full frame sensor.
I didn't expect this kind of optical performance, cause a number of completely new designs were released during a short period, at a time when sales weren't great. Impressive.

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