[monochrome]

Don’t forget more Limiteds are coming.

Maybe HD Pentax-D FA Limiteds.

[repaap]

And according to the latest survey here with 1600 people participating, none of the lenses you listed are anywhere near the top 10 most wanted lenses. The most demanded lens had 103 votes.

• 70-200/4 - 38 votes
• 24-105/4 - 49 votes
• 18-35/4 - 15 votes
• 100-300/4 - 10 votes

The top 20 lenses ended at 53 votes.


Be happy that the 70-200/4 is on the roadmap.

I'm happy with my DFA*70-200

---------- Post added 08-14-18 at 22:41 ----------

I personally think that the prestige lenses are what's most needed - the lenses that make people sit up and notice Pentax, or consider the system just for that lens. The 70-200/4 is not a * lens and will probably be based on the Tokina as part of some sort of reciprocal deal (based on sudden appearance near date) - a useful fill-in for Pentaxian landscapers, but not a drawcard. If they can do for the already excellent 85mm what they did for the 50mm, a few non-Pentaxians are going to want one!

This is true.

---------- Post added 08-14-18 at 22:46 ----------

Just saying that lot of people seems to want those slower/cheaper lenses, because that is what they can afford. What most of us really want is these 50 or 85 or 35 or 20 mm fast big sexy lenses. or 2.8 zooms. But can you handle them.

Side note, one of my favourite sitcom, fast show: Tony, carsales man. "it is like having s*x with really beautiful woman.

customer: ?

Tony: -changes to something else to say-

Now after some what 10 yrs, I manage to get his point.

[antipattern]

Don’t forget more Limiteds are coming.

As interesting as I find the D-FA*s, it's those that I'm most keen to learn about. I'm not sure I would be able to afford them straight away, but maybe by the time they're released I will have a "real" job...

[repaap]

Don’t forget more Limiteds are coming.

Maybe HD Pentax-D FA Limiteds.

This might take even more time than *85..

[Rondec]

I personally think that the prestige lenses are what's most needed - the lenses that make people sit up and notice Pentax, or consider the system just for that lens. The 70-200/4 is not a * lens and will probably be based on the Tokina as part of some sort of reciprocal deal (based on sudden appearance near date) - a useful fill-in for Pentaxian landscapers, but not a drawcard. If they can do for the already excellent 85mm what they did for the 50mm, a few non-Pentaxians are going to want one!

I really don't think the 70-200 f4 is a Tokina lens design. It could be, but I think we would have seen it sooner if that was the case. Remember that we have only one lens release this year, the excellent DFA *50. There is no reason, if Pentax was going to license Tokina's design that they couldn't have it out the door already.

In that past, nearly all of the licensing was from Pentax to Tokina and not the reverse. Pentax has had agreements with Tamron as well, but in those cases, Tamron actually manufactured and rebadged lenses for Pentax, with the lenses stating clearly that they were made in Japan (where Pentax doesn't have factories).

[thibs]

I really don't think the 70-200 f4 is a Tokina lens design. It could be, but I think we would have seen it sooner if that was the case. Remember that we have only one lens release this year, the excellent DFA *50. There is no reason, if Pentax was going to license Tokina's design that they couldn't have it out the door already.

In that past, nearly all of the licensing was from Pentax to Tokina and not the reverse. Pentax has had agreements with Tamron as well, but in those cases, Tamron actually manufactured and rebadged lenses for Pentax, with the lenses stating clearly that they were made in Japan (where Pentax doesn't have factories).

Except the DA12-24 which is Tokina licensed to Pentax. True enough this is the only exception.

[ffking]

I really don't think the 70-200 f4 is a Tokina lens design.

It just seems an odd one to be putting resources into when that range is covered and there are still holes in the line-up - and 20-19 is quite soon if they have to put in weather sealing and their own lens coatings, finish etc.

[aurele]

It just seems an odd one to be putting resources into when that range is covered and there are still holes in the line-up - and 20-19 is quite soon if they have to put in weather sealing and their own lens coatings, finish etc.

I think the DA 60-250 will probably be slowly be taken out as inventory clear out, replaced by the 70-200/4.

The thing with the current line-up is that it makes difficult choosing lenses because none is really comparable to the other. The 70-200/2.8 is fast and big. 60-250 has more reach and slower, but not very light either !

Making lenses with similar base spec and variation around it makes it easier to compare and choose, and buy

[repaap]

70-200/4 is not gonna be less than 1 kg either. If you look at competitors lenses it will be like that. I would be very surprised if it was not Tokina rebadge. It has been awhile since they updated theirs, so maybe it will be update of that oldie? Why would they stop almost everything and begin to work with it if it would be just ordinary rebadge?

[dcpropilot]

I presume the new 85 will be heavier than the new 50, or this an unwarranted assumption?

[ffking]

or this an unwarranted assumption?

Nope!

[gazonk]

I presume the new 85 will be heavier than the new 50, or this an unwarranted assumption?

I just hope it will be a little less bulky than the Sigma 105/1.4

(which weighs 1,645g / 58oz. according to specs)

[northcoastgreg]

I would be very surprised if it was not Tokina rebadge

While it's possible the DFA 70-200/4 could be based on a Tokina design, it won't technically be a rebadge. It will have Pentax HD coatings and it will likely be assembled and produced by Pentax. Technically speaking, even the DFA 15-30 and the DFA 24-70 aren't complete rebadges. A 100% rebadge would be a lens identical to the Tamron lenses except with Pentax labels. The inclusion of HD coatings makes these lens, however, only partial rebadges.

If I had to bet, I'd say this new DFA 70-200/4 is a Pentax design. There's been rumors for years that Pentax was working on an f4 telephoto zoom. Furthermore, there's at least four, possibly five lens design teams at Pentax. Between 2015 and 2016 Pentax released five in-house designed lenses: the DA 18-50, the DA 55-300 PLM, the DFA 28-105, the DFA 150-450, the DFA* 70-200. Those five lenses could not all have been designed and brought to production by the same one or two teams. So the very fact we've gone several years without any new lens releases suggests that these lens design and production teams have been working on in-house designs and that explains why it's taking so long. If Pentax was really into doing "rebadges" and using lens designs of other companies, we'd see a lot more DFA lenses. They only went with Tamron "rebadges" out of dire necessity, not because they really wanted to.

[aurele]

70-200/4 is not gonna be less than 1 kg either.

Both Canon 70-200/4 are less than 800gr (with or without IS).

Nikon 70-200/4 with VR is 850 gr.

Tamron 70-200 with VC is also 850 gr.

All four lenses are praised as incredible wide open. So i do think Pentax can do an excellent 70-200/4 for less than a kilo.

[repaap]

While it's possible the DFA 70-200/4 could be based on a Tokina design, it won't technically be a rebadge. It will have Pentax HD coatings and it will likely be assembled and produced by Pentax. Technically speaking, even the DFA 15-30 and the DFA 24-70 aren't complete rebadges. A 100% rebadge would be a lens identical to the Tamron lenses except with Pentax labels. The inclusion of HD coatings makes these lens, however, only partial rebadges.

If I had to bet, I'd say this new DFA 70-200/4 is a Pentax design. There's been rumors for years that Pentax was working on an f4 telephoto zoom. Furthermore, there's at least four, possibly five lens design teams at Pentax. Between 2015 and 2016 Pentax released five in-house designed lenses: the DA 18-50, the DA 55-300 PLM, the DFA 28-105, the DFA 150-450, the DFA* 70-200. Those five lenses could not all have been designed and brought to production by the same one or two teams. So the very fact we've gone several years without any new lens releases suggests that these lens design and production teams have been working on in-house designs and that explains why it's taking so long. If Pentax was really into doing "rebadges" and using lens designs of other companies, we'd see a lot more DFA lenses. They only went with Tamron "rebadges" out of dire necessity, not because they really wanted to.

This is actually what I also ment. if it was just rebadge, it would be as quick as 15-30 and 24-70, which was quick. Coatings and technical little things does not change that. But IF they have to work several months...then it is completelly different thing..

---------- Post added 08-16-18 at 22:14 ----------

Both Canon 70-200/4 are less than 800gr (with or without IS).

Nikon 70-200/4 with VR is 850 gr.

Tamron 70-200 with VC is also 850 gr.

All four lenses are praised as incredible wide open. So i do think Pentax can do an excellent 70-200/4 for less than a kilo.

How it is going now, you can put 258 gramms on that