Originally posted by normhead I didn't say Pentax was a religion. In fact what I referred to is a design philosophy, there is a difference.
I stand corrected. I should have said "philosophy" instead of "religion". So this is my revised statement...
"Sorry Norm, Pentax isn't a
philosophy. You don't need a mindset to shoot Pentax, all you need is the desire to have a good tool for taking pictures."
Pentax is a company that makes things. We buy their things and like their things enough to discuss their things here. Some of us are satisfied with those things and some of us want more out of those things. Just because some of us are vocal about wanting more than you does not make us fools, does not mean we deserve condescension, nor does it mean we're not worthy of shooting Pentax.
Originally posted by photoptimist My personal experience is that mainstream brands -- those that target "winning" -- suck for me. MacDonalds, Microsoft, CocaCola, Budweiser, Kraft Cheese, etc. have all "won" the most marketshare but they've lost me as a customer.
I'm right there with you, but if Pentax offered the same product but with all the things fixed that reviewers ding it for like better AF and video, would they loose you? I for one would still be a Pentaxian, just a more enthusiastic and more capable one. And you're right, Ricoh may not be trying to "win", but I don't think they bought Pentax for the sake of posterity. I think they want to make money like all big multinationals in a capitalist world and "winning", i.e. greater market share with us included would mean more money.
Originally posted by johnmflores But the OP editorialized and called video a "gimmick". Had he kept to the sales figures we might not be having this conversation about video and instead celebrating the success of a good camera.
You're completely right John. I apologize to all of you for jumping on this derailed train and pushing it further from the track.
Originally posted by northcoastgreg Oddly enough, I find Pentax the least nerdy brand. Yes, Pentax does have some special technology unique to itself (mostly consisting of novel ways of using IBIS), but when it comes to overall tech, they tend to trail everyone else, particularly in AF and video. Pentax's strength seems to be in harnessing tech in more traditional, pragmatic and user friendly ways. The user gives up state of the art video and AF in return for better ergonomics and handling, along with a greater emphasis on subjective perceptual image quality, rather than over-relying on numerical evaluations that don't always enjoy full correlation to subjective experience. Unfortunately, the these advantages are subtle and can only be appreciated through long-term use. They are not the type of advantages that market well.
I see where you're coming from. I guess I'm using a different definition of nerd. I mean nerdy kinda like the opposite of sexy. Sexy is 20 fps. Sexy is a 1.2 aperture AF lens. Nerdy is being psyched about somewhat esoteric features that are very useful but hard to explain. Pretty much everything Pentax does special with with their IBIS is nerdy. The design of the articulating screen on the K-1 looks weird in pictures and video online, and is a mouthful to try to explain it's virtues, but once you get your hands on it you realized that they designed the hell out of it and it's amazing. It's nerdy.