Originally posted by Aristophanes The low end is disappearing, so there is no "grow". The low end has evaporated to smartphones who do with software what the low end did with optics and unfriendly interfaces. The floor of discrete camera product productions costs cannot match that at all. A smartphone can dedicate maybe $40 to consumer friendly cost while the minimum buy-in for a dedicated camera could be $200, and that is with communication and integration issues, software editing capacity, etc. There are no inexpensive optical products that can match a smartphone and most apps. Even Lensbaby is costly, and they creatively wreck IQ.
Explain me why the #1 sale for compact camera is €100 then and the entry level start at €30 on amazon if you can't do anything bellow $200 ?
While it is true that a $500-1000 phone is maybe equivalent to the $50-100 compact still lacking any zooming capability, the entry level phone are quite terrible too.
Originally posted by Aristophanes All optical camera makers are forced to go high end.
Most the sales in optics are for smartphones and embedded devices. That where the growth is. For sensors too. I would say yes that basically Pentax do it as well as Fuji and Sony. Clearly. And Sigma and tamron too even through they don't sell cameras.
But Canon and Nikon didn't change their overall line they still target very low end to very high end. Funily they own most of the market together so "all" doesn't look like more like "few". The top 3 reflex cameras on Amazon right now are the 750D, D3400 and D3200. Not the D5 or even D500.
The reality is that if I want to buy a camera, everywhere I have the entry mid level of Canon and Nikon and some cheap compact cameras. I even get maybe a RX100 or A Sony A5000/6000. In fewer place I see A7 / A7-II or some entry level FF. In some specialized shop only do I find the truely high end like a D5, A9. Fuji is not so present, Pentax has at best a K50/KS2/K3. I never seen a K1. You also get some m4/3. The EM10-II and the olympus pen are often displayed. Not the OM1-II.
If I want to buy an highend camera, especially if it isn't Canikon, this goes online.
Originally posted by Aristophanes But look at their dependence problem. They rely on their user base to do lens correction in post, through third party, costly software, like Adobe. Without lens correction, their output is near useless in RAW on the growing dominant mobile OS devices, or even using the base Photos software on a Mac. Buying a camera should not mean buying an Adobe subscription just to use a lens. And lenses are the core of these companies. Their optics and the laws of physics are what differentiate them from the app/sensor dynamic. Are people going to buy $1,000 cameras to pop JPEGs?
Maybe true 10 years ago. All camera do have jpeg with all sort of optical corrections bundled in and you can tweak the rendering to your taste.
This is also clearly because they are how to say ? So old schools and can't get their act together. They could all team up to get 100% open source software that work very well for all sort of cameras. Investing all together wouldn't be that much and this way they could ensure that the latest feature is always fully supported and everybody has access to it on whatever device. They didn't even try.