Ricoh GRZ coming soon?

**Aristophanes** · 10-09-2017, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Adam

It would be nice if the GR line had two bodies- a fixed lens offering with a large sensor, and a smaller sensor offering with a zoom lens. Who knows if this would be viable alongside fierce competition from Sony, but it could have potential.

I've said this for years....two GR bodies.

I doubt a small form factor zoom can use the APS-C size sensor. You could, but the zoom would be at most 2.5x, which is not much at all compared to the competition. And teens would be substantial to get f/2.8.

If Sony can do this, why not Ricoh? It's a small, but viable market that can thump any smartphone sensor, especially on optics.

Another way to look at this is as a Q replacement. The bane of the Q was a too small sensor.

**monochrome** · 10-09-2017, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

A unknown friend of an unknown poster on another forum supplied (recycled) a rumor from 2016 that is now at least one and possibly almost two years old? And that is exciting news?
The Pentax (Ricoh) world is indeed desperate for anything to talk about..............................

When rumor sites begin to cite this thread we’ll know the circle is complete.

.

**jatrax** · 10-09-2017, 02:47 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

When rumor sites begin to cite this thread we’ll know the circle is complete. .

Should not take too long. Pentax Rumors should have it by tomorrow.

**clickclick** · 10-09-2017, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

Should not take too long. Pentax Rumors should have it by tomorrow.

I plan on placing my order day after next.

mee · 10-09-2017, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

Should not take too long. Pentax Rumors should have it by tomorrow.

It is interesting the names that get thanked for sharing these rumors to PR.. same names that chat on here...

surfar · 10-09-2017, 04:20 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The bane of the Q was a too small sensor.

Yes, small enough to do magazine covers.

Zygonyx · 10-09-2017, 06:35 PM

If GRZ = Nikon DL, someone should be doomed...

i83N · 10-09-2017, 07:14 PM

GRZ? Z for zoom? I say it is just someone's fantasy not more. GR is doomed.

JPT · 10-09-2017, 08:48 PM

I really hope this is true. It sounds like just what I’m looking for. Something like the GRD at the wide end, with more versatility.

Impressive though the GR was, I had very mixed feelings about it moving to a large sensor. I think it lost as much as it gained from that decision.

It’s interesting the the GRD IV’s price on the second hand market in Japan is quite close to the GR, which indicates that I’m not the only one that feels this way.

banep · 10-10-2017, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

Well, if it's not a single focal length, preferrably equiv. 28mm, it's not a GR... ergo also not a replacement. If they bring a APS-C compact with a fast zoom lens in a smaller body than a GR I might be in purchasing mode. But I highly doubt that.

Its is GRZ so it is not GR.
GR + Zoom = GRZ
Additional 50% in name length so it is obviously not GR.
Seriously, probably another 1" sensor "RX100 killer".
Yawn.

---------- Post added 10-10-17 at 11:41 AM ----------

Originally posted by jatrax

A unknown friend of an unknown poster on another forum supplied (recycled) a rumor from 2016 that is now at least one and possibly almost two years old? And that is exciting news?
The Pentax (Ricoh) world is indeed desperate for anything to talk about..............................

So let's talk again about lenses that are coming for sure but not before 100 year aniversary of AOC.

adjutant · 10-10-2017, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The bane of the Q was a too small sensor.

Absolutely not. Small sensor is an asset of the Q. The obsession with sensor size has gone too far, the small sensor produces great images.

thibs · 10-10-2017, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by JPT

I really hope this is true. It sounds like just what I’m looking for. Something like the GRD at the wide end, with more versatility.

Impressive though the GR was, I had very mixed feelings about it moving to a large sensor. I think it lost as much as it gained from that decision.

It’s interesting the the GRD IV’s price on the second hand market in Japan is quite close to the GR, which indicates that I’m not the only one that feels this way.

Interesting bought but based on what?
What did the GR lose from the GRIV exactly ?

ogl · 10-10-2017, 05:07 AM - **1 Like**

24-60mm f1.7-2.8 couldn't be neither APS-C, nor FF zoom...

ogl · 10-10-2017, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by JPT

I really hope this is true. It sounds like just what I’m looking for. Something like the GRD at the wide end, with more versatility.

I think it's pure fake.

JPT · 10-10-2017, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Interesting bought but based on what?
What did the GR lose from the GRIV exactly ?

I mean that from the GRD IV to the GR, a number of things changed, some for the better, some for the worse, and others that are largely a matter of opinion.

Gained (due to APS-C sensor)
- High ISO performance
- Ability to isolate subject through DOF

Lost (due to sensor)
- Lens got slower f1.9 to f.2.8
- Sensor shift stabilization
- Battery life (CIPA rating went down from 390 to 290)
- Body size/weight increased
- Close focusing ability (GRD IV 1cm; GR 10cm)

Lost (not related to sensor)
- PDAF window for hybrid AF system
- Lost ability to use standard batteries in the same compartment as the lithium rechargeable

Changed (matter of opinion)
- Tendency towards broad/narrow DOF
- Aspect ratio changed

So I feel that the impact of the bigger sensor was somewhat lessened by the loss of IBIS and the slower lens. At the same time the camera got less compact and lost some other features. I'm not trying to say the GR was worse by any means, but the character of the camera changed more than looks would indicate.

10-09-2017, 08:48 PM	#24
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	I really hope this is true. It sounds like just what I’m looking for. Something like the GRD at the wide end, with more versatility. Impressive though the GR was, I had very mixed feelings about it moving to a large sensor. I think it lost as much as it gained from that decision. It’s interesting the the GRD IV’s price on the second hand market in Japan is quite close to the GR, which indicates that I’m not the only one that feels this way. Last edited by JPT; 10-09-2017 at 09:37 PM.

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10-09-2017, 02:10 PM	#16
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Adam It would be nice if the GR line had two bodies- a fixed lens offering with a large sensor, and a smaller sensor offering with a zoom lens. Who knows if this would be viable alongside fierce competition from Sony, but it could have potential. I've said this for years....two GR bodies. I doubt a small form factor zoom can use the APS-C size sensor. You could, but the zoom would be at most 2.5x, which is not much at all compared to the competition. And teens would be substantial to get f/2.8. If Sony can do this, why not Ricoh? It's a small, but viable market that can thump any smartphone sensor, especially on optics. Another way to look at this is as a Q replacement. The bane of the Q was a too small sensor.

10-09-2017, 02:11 PM	#17
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by jatrax A unknown friend of an unknown poster on another forum supplied (recycled) a rumor from 2016 that is now at least one and possibly almost two years old? And that is exciting news? The Pentax (Ricoh) world is indeed desperate for anything to talk about.............................. When rumor sites begin to cite this thread we’ll know the circle is complete. .

10-09-2017, 02:47 PM - 1 Like	#18
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by monochrome When rumor sites begin to cite this thread we’ll know the circle is complete. . Should not take too long. Pentax Rumors should have it by tomorrow.

10-09-2017, 03:53 PM	#19
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,903	Originally posted by jatrax Should not take too long. Pentax Rumors should have it by tomorrow. I plan on placing my order day after next.

10-09-2017, 04:00 PM	#20
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by jatrax Should not take too long. Pentax Rumors should have it by tomorrow. It is interesting the names that get thanked for sharing these rumors to PR.. same names that chat on here...

10-09-2017, 04:20 PM - 1 Like	#21
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,137	Originally posted by Aristophanes The bane of the Q was a too small sensor. Yes, small enough to do magazine covers.

10-09-2017, 06:35 PM	#22
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,032	If GRZ = Nikon DL, someone should be doomed...

10-09-2017, 07:14 PM	#23
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	GRZ? Z for zoom? I say it is just someone's fantasy not more. GR is doomed.

10-10-2017, 02:36 AM	#25
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by MMVIII Well, if it's not a single focal length, preferrably equiv. 28mm, it's not a GR... ergo also not a replacement. If they bring a APS-C compact with a fast zoom lens in a smaller body than a GR I might be in purchasing mode. But I highly doubt that. Its is GRZ so it is not GR. GR + Zoom = GRZ Additional 50% in name length so it is obviously not GR. Seriously, probably another 1" sensor "RX100 killer". Yawn. ---------- Post added 10-10-17 at 11:41 AM ---------- Originally posted by jatrax A unknown friend of an unknown poster on another forum supplied (recycled) a rumor from 2016 that is now at least one and possibly almost two years old? And that is exciting news? The Pentax (Ricoh) world is indeed desperate for anything to talk about.............................. So let's talk again about lenses that are coming for sure but not before 100 year aniversary of AOC.

10-10-2017, 04:24 AM	#26
adjutant Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 100	Originally posted by Aristophanes The bane of the Q was a too small sensor. Absolutely not. Small sensor is an asset of the Q. The obsession with sensor size has gone too far, the small sensor produces great images.

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10-10-2017, 04:26 AM	#27
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by JPT I really hope this is true. It sounds like just what I’m looking for. Something like the GRD at the wide end, with more versatility. Impressive though the GR was, I had very mixed feelings about it moving to a large sensor. I think it lost as much as it gained from that decision. It’s interesting the the GRD IV’s price on the second hand market in Japan is quite close to the GR, which indicates that I’m not the only one that feels this way. Interesting bought but based on what? What did the GR lose from the GRIV exactly ?

10-10-2017, 05:07 AM - 1 Like	#28
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	24-60mm f1.7-2.8 couldn't be neither APS-C, nor FF zoom...

10-10-2017, 05:11 AM	#29
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by JPT I really hope this is true. It sounds like just what I’m looking for. Something like the GRD at the wide end, with more versatility. I think it's pure fake.

10-10-2017, 06:08 AM	#30
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by thibs Interesting bought but based on what? What did the GR lose from the GRIV exactly ? I mean that from the GRD IV to the GR, a number of things changed, some for the better, some for the worse, and others that are largely a matter of opinion. Gained (due to APS-C sensor) - High ISO performance - Ability to isolate subject through DOF Lost (due to sensor) - Lens got slower f1.9 to f.2.8 - Sensor shift stabilization - Battery life (CIPA rating went down from 390 to 290) - Body size/weight increased - Close focusing ability (GRD IV 1cm; GR 10cm) Lost (not related to sensor) - PDAF window for hybrid AF system - Lost ability to use standard batteries in the same compartment as the lithium rechargeable Changed (matter of opinion) - Tendency towards broad/narrow DOF - Aspect ratio changed So I feel that the impact of the bigger sensor was somewhat lessened by the loss of IBIS and the slower lens. At the same time the camera got less compact and lost some other features. I'm not trying to say the GR was worse by any means, but the character of the camera changed more than looks would indicate.