[Kunzite]

I will repeat: this is not a matter of disagreement, but deliberate disinformation.

Treating lies like just another opinion (as if the location and ownership of Pentax' lens factory is up to debate...) is disinformation in itself. I might be often guilty of bluntness, but disinformation is something I just don't do - nor tolerate.
YMMV.

[pres589]

Do many consumer zooms come with a zoom lock?

[mecrox]

I will repeat: this is not a matter of disagreement, but deliberate disinformation.

Treating lies like just another opinion (as if the location and ownership of Pentax' lens factory is up to debate...) is disinformation in itself. I might be often guilty of bluntness, but disinformation is something I just don't do - nor tolerate.
YMMV.

I’d suggest a) cooling down, and b) looking up the dictionary definition of “lie”. A lie requires an intention to deceive. Unless you are absolutely sure that is the case, and can show it to be so, it’s an extremely unwise thing to say. People can say the most preposterous, offensive or mistaken things but it does not follow that they are lying. Most posts on here are conjecture, nothing more. Some may be ridiculous or mistaken but that doesn’t make them lies. Not seeing this is becoming part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

[normhead]

It shouldn't amaze me but it still does.. just how easy it is to stir the fan base here into a frenzy. One guy posts something the defenders of Pentax don't agree with and the discussion goes sideways...

Just ignore the guy if his PoV bothers you so much.. you feed him by showing him an (emotional) response.

So disinformation is OK with you? Just leave it there for the uninformed to read? I'd say that's what feeds it, if he thinks he's getting away with it. Ya, there's a lot of people for whom every opinion is valid and the information presented is not important. There are a lot of people who value "peace" more than truth. Personally, I don't see anything emotional about it. When someone corrects me, I usually am thankful for the experience, because I learn stuff. That's the goal. To come here and learn stuff. Posting lies and half truths doesn't further that.

[Biro]

Wow. This thread really has really gone off the rails. Still, I'm happy that my fellow Pentaxians have these new lenses to look forward to (and squabble over). I'm sure they'll be solid pieces. But, for me, it all comes too late. When I could afford premium glass, nothing much was coming from Pentax - under either the Hoya or Ricoh umbrellas. Now, new product is beginning to show up (but not nearly fast enough). And I can't afford it anymore.

Moreover (and slightly off-topic) while the newest cameras are the best digital Pentaxes ever, they're still not truly competitive when it comes to autofocus and video. I doubt there's reason to believe the next APS-C flagship will be, either - but I'd love to be proven wrong. Personally, after decades of shooting Pentax, I'm at a critical decision point. I'll wait until the K-3II replacement comes out to make it.

In the meantime, I hope the new glass turns out to be everything Pentaxians hope it will be.

[Mistral75]

Do many consumer zooms come with a zoom lock?

The answer is yes for some categories, superzooms for instance, less so for UWA zooms.

One could argue that a DA★ zoom is a high-end lens, not a consumer zoom.

Time will tell.

[mee]

So disinformation is OK with you? Just leave it there for the uninformed to read? I'd say that's what feeds it, if he thinks he's getting away with it. Ya, there's a lot of people for whom every opinion is valid and the information presented is not important. There are a lot of people who value "peace" more than truth. Personally, I don't see anything emotional about it. When someone corrects me, I usually am thankful for the experience, because I learn stuff. That's the goal. To come here and learn stuff. Posting lies and half truths doesn't further that.

I'm OK with everyone sharing their opinions without fear of reprisal or some backlash.

I don't buy what you say about you valuing truth.. I think you and many here more so value a fully pro-Pentax agenda shared here without any objections to it.

Instead I think we should just accept that everything everyone says is not going to be to our satisfaction. That goes for me, that (should) goes for you, and everyone else here. The comments we find objectionable will simply be a small bump in the road.. 'did you feel that? nope' and we move on if we don't pay them much attention. But that is difficult.. to simply ignore them.. no?

And in time all our claims will be proven or disproven.. yet even if everything SnapperTim just said proves false then what? You cannot devalue his opinion any more than you already have. It was just an opinion he shared.. which is now proven incorrect.. nothing in our lives changes.

[Kunzite]

I’d suggest a) cooling down, and b) looking up the dictionary definition of “lie”. A lie requires an intention to deceive. Unless you are absolutely sure that is the case, and can show it to be so, it’s an extremely unwise thing to say.

I keep noticing how you're trying to hold me at very different standards than people like Snappertim - while I must be absolutely(!) sure, he can say blatantly false claims with impunity. Repeatedly.

By the way, one very important reason why I reported his post - hoping it would be deleted - was to avoid this kind of discussions. You can be certain that someone would get upset at people trying to correct misinformation.

[mee]

Wow. This thread really has really gone off the rails. Still, I'm happy that my fellow Pentaxians have these new lenses to look forward to (and squabble over). I'm sure they'll be solid pieces. But, for me, it all comes too late. When I could afford premium glass, nothing much was coming from Pentax - under either the Hoya or Ricoh umbrellas. Now, new product is beginning to show up (but not nearly fast enough). And I can't afford it anymore.

Moreover (and slightly off-topic) while the newest cameras are the best digital Pentaxes ever, they're still not truly competitive when it comes to autofocus and video. I doubt there's reason to believe the next APS-C flagship will be, either - but I'd love to be proven wrong. Personally, after decades of shooting Pentax, I'm at a critical decision point. I'll wait until the K-3II replacement comes out to make it.

In the meantime, I hope the new glass turns out to be everything Pentaxians hope it will be.

I've seen a few people (non-Pentax users) on other sites discussion this 11-18mm and are seeing it as a unique proposition in the crop world.. fully weather sealed ultrawide crop zoom which (should) be rather resistant to flare [at least that is their hope] and has a fast aperture.

I'm not even heavily using a crop system anymore and am interested in this lens.. it is.. interesting.

[mee]

I keep noticing how you're trying to hold me at very different standards than people like Snappertim - while I must be absolutely(!) sure, he can say blatantly false claims with impunity. Repeatedly.

By the way, one very important reason why I reported his post - hoping it would be deleted - was to avoid this kind of discussions. You can be certain that someone would get upset at people trying to correct misinformation.

You could have avoided this kind of discussion by avoiding this kind of discussion.

[Kunzite]

I'm OK with everyone sharing their opinions without fear of reprisal or some backlash.

I don't buy what you say about you valuing truth.. I think you and many here more so value a fully pro-Pentax agenda shared here without any objections to it.

No, you're not OK with people sharing their opinions, you've just attacked normhead.
And pretending that blatantly false claims are "opinion" which still have to be proved or disproved is misinformation.

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You could have avoided this kind of discussion by avoiding this kind of discussion.

I could avoid this kind of discussion by avoiding Pentaxforums. I won't do that; this is my "home" as a Pentaxian.

[lytrytyr]

the SDM 12-24

Sorry, Tim, you lost me right there!

[ffking]

Moreover (and slightly off-topic) while the newest cameras are the best digital Pentaxes ever, they're still not truly competitive when it comes to autofocus and video. I doubt there's reason to believe the next APS-C flagship will be, either - but I'd love to be proven wrong. Personally, after decades of shooting Pentax, I'm at a critical decision point. I'll wait until the K-3II replacement comes out to make it.

There's a couple of things I'd say there - first, as you say, Pentax AF is getting better with each new camera - unfortunately so are the 'opposition' , but newer Pentax cameras and lenses are ok for most non-specialist situations, and they continue to improve, as said. Second, the lenses look like they are getting better motors, which should mean quicker AF, and quieter motors, which will open up the way for video improvements. Also, debatably, it looks like the focus throw on the newer lenses might be a little less, which would also speed up AF. I think that the K3ii replacement with modern lenses, might be quite quick.

[mee]

No, you're not OK with people sharing their opinions, you've just attacked normhead.
And pretending that blatantly false claims are "opinion" which still have to be proved or disproved is misinformation.

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I could avoid this kind of discussion by avoiding Pentaxforums. I won't do that; this is my "home" as a Pentaxian.

I shared an opinion you don't want to read and for it you claim it as an attack.. but that doesn't make it an attack. Yet you are entitled to your opinion.


Either way false claims ARE opinion. I can claim the moon is made of cheese. That's my opinion (should I hold it) regardless of it being factual or not. That is the basis of an opinion.. it doesn't have to be factual to be held. "opinion: a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. "


This is not your home. You and I are welcome here but we are guests. Remember we must respect the rules of the forum as guests and don't get too comfortable.


Now back to the show..

[jpzk]

The DA * 11-18 is the last APSC lens you will see from Pentax - Ricoh this replaces the 12-24, and keeps faith with the buyers of APSC bodies k10 to k3 mk2, this lens was designed with help from Tamron and is made in a reconditioned ex Ricoh printer plant in the Philippines, as for all other focal length requirements Ricohs answer will be purchase full frame and put up with the 1.5 shift, the SDM 12-24 16-50 50-135 60-250 were contract made by Hoya - Tokina they will disappear in the next year as stocks roll down, this ends Ricoh's association with Hoya, Ricoh will now make all future Pentax lens in conjunction with Tamron (they own a controlling share holding), the Pentax k2 will appear over the next 12 months and will be a k3 with a full frame chip, the 645G a full frame 45X60 camera will appear before the end of year, its not clear yet if the camera will feature sensor shake reduction or not, do not hold your breath waiting for a radical APSC body its not coming, the future is full frame in the mind of Ricoh.

Is this a poorly translated text from Google or ... What?
Ignore list you go.