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10-29-2017, 12:05 PM   #376
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Can it be used on the K-1?????

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QuoteOriginally posted by fredralphfred Quote
Just over at First look at upcoming Pentax 'star series' lenses and silver edition K-1: Digital Photography Review -- they claim the switch "appears to be for optical image stabilization." Perhaps Pentax is planning to remove IBIS switches from future bodies so it has to be controlled on the lens!
It should be noted that the "appears to be ..." part follows " while it hasn't been spelled out anywhere." A case for OIS instead of IBIS can potentially be made for long telephoto lens and camera bodies where space restrictions or the mass of the sensor make IBIS impractical, but an UWA zoom for APS-C DSLRs is very unlikely.
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QuoteOriginally posted by KevinMoss Quote
Can it be used on the K-1?????
Of course it can. The K-1 has aps-c crop mode
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Do you know this, or it's only supposition?
I'd say the latter, as Ricoh took control in October 2011 - and any sort of strategy wasn't probably formulated until 2012.

And by the way... "these lenses will become the first two models of the new-generation Star series. While retaining existing design concepts, the series underwent a drastic review of in-house standards, especially on resolving power." - doesn't look like an old design.
Plan of 2010/2011 year. It's fact. Wide-angle lens for APS-C was developed many years ago. As for 11-18 - it's some new variation, as I think.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Snappertim Quote
The DA * 11-18 is the last APSC lens you will see from Pentax - Ricoh this replaces the 12-24, and keeps faith with the buyers of APSC bodies k10 to k3 mk2, this lens was designed with help from Tamron and is made in a reconditioned ex Ricoh printer plant in the Philippines, as for all other focal length requirements Ricohs answer will be purchase full frame and put up with the 1.5 shift, the SDM 12-24 16-50 50-135 60-250 were contract made by Hoya - Tokina they will disappear in the next year as stocks roll down, this ends Ricoh's association with Hoya, Ricoh will now make all future Pentax lens in conjunction with Tamron (they own a controlling share holding), the Pentax k2 will appear over the next 12 months and will be a k3 with a full frame chip, the 645G a full frame 45X60 camera will appear before the end of year, its not clear yet if the camera will feature sensor shake reduction or not, do not hold your breath waiting for a radical APSC body its not coming, the future is full frame in the mind of Ricoh.
as someone from the Philippines I can vouch that there are no lens plants here those are all in Vietnam with parts coming from Japan. Only bodies are assembled here in a processing zone in Mactan, Cebu.

Also, I doubt the 12-24's gonna go anywhere even when the 11-18 arrives. They're vastly different lenses in features, the only similarity being both UWA. It would be unwise for Pentax to just drop out the other DA* lenses just because a "connection" has been severed with Hoya and Tokina. (the 12-24 is also not SDM... apparently your statement is very much floating with imagination )

Anyway, ignore list you go!

as for this lens, I hope Pentax rolls out sample images shot with it (with EXIF data) soon!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Alizarine Quote
as someone from the Philippines I can vouch that there are no lens plants here those are all in Vietnam with parts coming from Japan. Only bodies are assembled here in a processing zone in Mactan, Cebu.

Also, I doubt the 12-24's gonna go anywhere even when the 11-18 arrives. They're vastly different lenses in features, the only similarity being both UWA. It would be unwise for Pentax to just drop out the other DA* lenses just because a "connection" has been severed with Hoya and Tokina. (the 12-24 is also not SDM... apparently your statement is very much floating with imagination )
Ricoh's managers at PhotoSalon said that 11-18 is not replacement of 12-24.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
Of course it can. The K-1 has aps-c crop mode
The question is WHY?, when you have the 15-30 that cover full frame.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I remember some claims about the K-1 not having an in-body AF motor, a while back. IRL, though, Pentax keeps the AF motor even in their cheapest cameras.
I'd say we are safe for a while

As for the cameras, every DSLR they introduced since 2013 (inclusive) are KAF4 compatible. This isn't bad at all.
I'm glad they kept that motor especially since majority of their lenses are still screw-driven.
Someday yeah all Pentax lenses will probably get updated to in-lens motors, as is evident in what Pentax is doing right now (e.g. the release of the 55-300 PLM, 18-50 DC WR RE)

I'm wondering how they'd do that for the Limiteds though. Adding that motor would surely increase the size of the lenses, and kind of goes directly against what Limiteds are mostly about: great build and compactness.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Alizarine Quote
I'm glad they kept that motor especially since majority of their lenses are still screw-driven.
It was obvious the K-1 would have a screw drive motor.

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Plan of 2010/2011 year. It's fact. Wide-angle lens for APS-C was developed many years ago. As for 11-18 - it's some new variation, as I think.
How could Ricoh force their plans, before buying Pentax?
I don't buy it. And you're not even mentioning a source.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
It was obvious the K-1 would have a screw drive motor.

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How could Ricoh force their plans, before buying Pentax?
I don't buy it. And you're not even mentioning a source.
I've got a private message with such info from insider. It's PENTAX plans. The plans had been postponed and killed after deal with Ricoh.
Ricoh is a bit better ruler of Pentax than Hoya.

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Sorry, I cannot trust your unknown-to-me insider who told you I don't know what; and then there might be your interpretation adding details on the way. And a communication barrier.
Even if there was such a plan - it sounds like a continuation of the Pentax Corporation strategy started with the K10D and the DA* + DA Limited lenses - there's no way Ricoh could've killed it in 2010, as you claim. If it happened, it was Hoya.
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I can't imagine that many people would buy the 12-24 instead of the 11-18 unless it's for cost reasons. 18mm is a perfect spot to change lenses to something else that covers about that point out to something longer. This isn't to say the 12-24 isn't without merit, it's just not a star lens, and Pentax usually does very nice things when they stick that label on the side.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
I can't imagine that many people would buy the 12-24 instead of the 11-18 unless it's for cost reasons. 18mm is a perfect spot to change lenses to something else that covers about that point out to something longer. This isn't to say the 12-24 isn't without merit, it's just not a star lens, and Pentax usually does very nice things when they stick that label on the side.
I'm not sure I agree...cost and size would favor the 12-24, but also 18 vs 24mm is quite a leap (while F2.8 and AW would of course favor the 11-18).

The 12-24 beats the da 14 and 15 on most metrics, and could easily by taken for prime quality more or less across the range from wide open, so significantly improving on IQ will be hard I think to the point that the 12-24 could be called a * if not for not being fully inhouse-made. Yes, the new DA*, could maybe be a tad better when measuring using test charts, but I don't think IQ alone will convince anyone, but more likely I think the AW and F2.8 will be what makes the difference for those choosing it (and bragging rights of *-lens for some), and with "only" that as an advantage, then focal range and price could sway quite a lot of people to the 12-24 I think.
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I've not used the DA 14 or 12-24, so, grain of salt with this next bit; I have my doubts that the 12-24, at 15mm, is any better at being a lens than the DA 15. The little guy is a seriously nice piece of glass.

To each his own; this lens actually kind of excites me. Guess I never felt that way about the 12-24. It's that max aperture, and then knowing it's a star lens, it will probably perform quite well wide open. The weather resistance also makes it quite nice.

I could honestly see getting this lens, a K-70, and trying to get work doing real estate & architecture shooting. Reviews and sample shots will tell the whole story.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pres589 Quote
I can't imagine that many people would buy the 12-24 instead of the 11-18 unless it's for cost reasons. 18mm is a perfect spot to change lenses to something else that covers about that point out to something longer. This isn't to say the 12-24 isn't without merit, it's just not a star lens, and Pentax usually does very nice things when they stick that label on the side.
The things that have to be balanced are IQ, cost, weight, size.

My Sigma 8-16 only goes with me when I have an actual use for it. It's too big to just lug around all over the place, takes too much space in the camera bag, and weighs to much. This would be bigger. I suspect, it wouldn't get a lot of use, because my Sigma 8-16 doesn't get a lot of use.

The 12-24 is 439 grams
My Sigma 8-16 is 555 grams.
No specs on the 11-18 yet but it will be a lot bigger, a lot heavier and a lot more money.

I did put a 15 ltd on my camera before I bought the Sigma, I liked the size and weight, but the images simply weren't better. On blind test with my wife selecting the best images it didn't match even the 10-17 fisheye in many respects. I'd like to have it for it's size and weight, but it's a lot of money to pay for an "easy to carry always with you" lens. That being said, withe the 21 ltd.. and 40 XS the 15 would be great companion so you'd have quality glass in a very small travel package.

Looking back, I probably should have bought it instead of the 21 ltd. I have other lenses that cover 21, like my 18-135, but portable 15mm is hard to come by. If you buy the 11-18, you still want your 15 on many occasions. It still does what it does very well.

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