Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
08-28-2008, 05:10 AM   #16
Sam
New Member




Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It will be very funny if Pentax will show only DA*55, DA*60-250, new case for DA limited and MAYBE K2000D in body of K200D.

I see the migration to D700 from Pentax...It's sad...
Pentax (<4% market share) is the only DSLR manufacturer with 2 cameras available!
Of course Pentax has more DSLRs than Panasonic, if this means something...
Of course some will say that K20D is enough, but certainly this is not the way global economy works, for players who want to survive and stay alive, unless Hoya has other plans for Pentax-branded products-dSLRs, manufacturing plants, marketing plans, *future* plans etc..

include
{
Canon 50D, 40D, 1000D, 450D, 5D, 1DsIII, 1DIII
Nikon D90, D700, D300, D60, D3, (D3x)
Sony A300, A350, A200, A700, (A900)
Olympus E520, E420, E3, E510, E410
Panasonic L10
}
I really hope Pentax comes out with their new APS-C and FFs dSLRs this year, otherwise their market share will decrease even more. Hoya corporate management as well as Shareholders most certainly are keeping a very close eye to Pentax marketing share and viability!

br
Sam

08-28-2008, 05:47 AM   #17
Veteran Member




Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ontario
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 630
Lets be honest...Pentax is a big step ahead of the competitors on a few fronts...mostly body construction quality and IQ/sensor technology and image stabilization @ a very low price point. Canon and Nikon are playing catchup, in terms of their release date. They're both 6 months behind in bringing a competitive product to market...and while the canon 50D, maybe the D90 may out-do the K20D on a number of fronts, they're playing catchup.

Pentax will do what it did with the K20D, and (eventually) bring another camera out of the woodwork that will be ahead of the competition in their usual terms of build quality and IQ. Lets say (for argument's sake) the new Pentax/Samsung camera is a D700 competitor...the pentax release would have 90% of the capibilities with 66% of the cost hitting a different market. It will either force competition to drop prices on existing models to compete (thus reducing profits) or force them into R&D to bring another product to market.

That's what I see as the pentax marketing strategy...use aggressive pricing to hit the competition in the gaps between their product lineups. The tight lipped approach keeps the competition on their toes.

**All "just for fun" examples...I don't care to speculate on upcoming technology...I use what I have and that's fine for me.
08-28-2008, 05:47 AM   #18
RaduA
Guest




QuoteOriginally posted by welshwizard645 Quote
all these lemmings jumping ship because there is no announcement about a new top-line camera and many comments come from those who do not have the K20D
Some (especially those who don't have it) say: "K20D has no soul, has no mystic"

Radu
08-28-2008, 06:08 AM   #19
Senior Member




Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 126
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It will be very funny if Pentax will show only DA*55, DA*60-250, new case for DA limited and MAYBE K2000D in body of K200D.

I see the migration to D700 from Pentax...It's sad...
No leak because Pentax has good bladder control.

08-28-2008, 06:10 AM   #20
Pentaxian




Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Antwerp, Belgium
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,030
QuoteOriginally posted by RaduA Quote
Some (especially those who don't have it) say: "K20D has no soul, has no mystic"

Radu
Shouldn't the photographer provide the soul? And for a mystic camera... not sure that would help a lot getting a good picture...

One thing's perhaps not so clear from my previous post... I love my K20D and I cannot see myself parting with it unless for a Pentax camera that will expand on the K20D's design...

Wim
08-28-2008, 06:15 AM   #21
Senior Member




Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 126
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
I mean that it's in Pentax's interests to make any leaks...If they really have something new.
The only new products from Pentax so far have been P & S Optio cameras. That is usually the case for most camera makers. When it gets closer to the big show, then DSLR cameras will start to show up. So far we have no DSLRs yet from Olympus, Sony and Pentax. Canon is saving its best for last: the 5D MKII will probably be announced a week prior to Photokina. Pentax will likely announce its DSLR cameras and/or lenses a week or two prior to Photokina. And so will Sony. Not sure if Olympus or Sigma has anything to announce. Leica may bring out a full frame DSLR. We shall see.
08-28-2008, 06:24 AM   #22
Pentaxian
thibs's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Belgium
Photos: Albums
Posts: 5,260
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
I mean that it's in Pentax's interests to make any leaks...If they really have something new.
I don't think so. In Pentax present position, they'd better surprise (if that's even possible) the other brands rather than warning them on what they plan on doing.

Canon is finaly responding to Pentax with its 50D, it was time (for them). I don't think they would have done that if Pentax was still alone. Now Pentax has Hoya to boast it and I think other brands noticed and or somewhat scary of what Hoya-Pentax might do. Hoya has loads of money.

It doesn't mean anything tremedous will happen, but if I was Canon, I wouldn't wait for the surprise (if any).
08-28-2008, 06:29 AM   #23
Pentaxian
thibs's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Belgium
Photos: Albums
Posts: 5,260
QuoteOriginally posted by Anastigmat Quote
Canon is saving its best for last: the 5D MKII will probably be announced a week prior to Photokina.
The canon 5D succesor or the Canon 5D successors ? (well those from the rumours I mean )

08-28-2008, 06:30 AM   #24
Veteran Member




Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 1,934
No Leak or Nothing New?

QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It will be very funny if Pentax will show only DA*55, DA*60-250, new case for DA limited and MAYBE K2000D in body of K200D.

I see the migration to D700 from Pentax...It's sad...
I agree. If there is nothing significant and important, where comes the "leak"?
08-28-2008, 06:32 AM   #25
Veteran Member




Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 1,934
QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
The canon 5D succesor or the Canon 5D successors ? (well those from the rumours I mean )
Its Sept 17, according to the news from canonrumors.com
08-28-2008, 06:39 AM   #26
Veteran Member




Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 1,934
Back to Reality and Facts..

QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
I don't think so. In Pentax present position, they'd better surprise (if that's even possible) the other brands rather than warning them on what they plan on doing.
What's "surprise"? Whats the benefit of doing so? Hey, the PHotokina is coming, close!

QuoteQuote:
Canon is finaly responding to Pentax with its 50D, it was time (for them). I don't think they would have done that if Pentax was still alone.
50D is the answer to D300, not K20D. Just comparing the specs, there is nothing the K20D could compete, except *just* for the pixel count.

QuoteQuote:
Now Pentax has Hoya to boast it and I think other brands noticed and or somewhat scary of what Hoya-Pentax might do. Hoya has loads of money.
Hoya has lot of money, but they don't allow and tolerate Pentax to lose too much money, especially for the Pentax camera division who have got poor sales and got much loss:-

RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: Hoya Reported Net Loss in Running Pentax and Overall Profit Declined

RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: Hoya to Liquidate Pentax Factory in China

QuoteQuote:
It doesn't mean anything tremedous will happen, but if I was Canon, I wouldn't wait for the surprise (if any).
In fact, there is no need for Canon to pay any attention to Pentax, who is indeed a neglectible "player" or "competitor" to them. Their true rival is Nikon.
08-28-2008, 06:53 AM   #27
Veteran Member
Asahiflex's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Netherlands
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 2,754
QuoteOriginally posted by RiceHigh Quote
In fact, there is no need for Canon to pay any attention to Pentax, who is indeed a neglectible "player" or "competitor" to them. Their true rival is Nikon.
Great, let them fight it out. We have a saying in the Netherlands which translated is like: "if two dogs have a fight over one bone, the third dog will take it and run"

In the meantime, Pentax can continue like it has done before: bringing out good but relatively low cost bodies with an unique set of features. Let's not forget about the lenses, Pentax still has a lot to offer in the primes department. Everyone is complaining about lenses > 300mm but they won't produce new superteles if there's no market for them. Simple as that.

Just leave Pentax alone... I'm sure they know damn well what they must do and how and when. It's up to Hoya now, and all talk here and in other forums about new models etc. is worth nothing. Again, like we are saying in NL: it's just only a lot of baked air
08-28-2008, 07:03 AM   #28
Banned




Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H.
Posts: 5,979
I knew it was only a matter of time before rice high chimed in and agreed with ogl.
08-28-2008, 07:06 AM   #29
Sam
New Member




Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19
QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Canon is finaly responding to Pentax with its 50D, it was time (for them). I don't think they would have done that if Pentax was still alone.
Do you have any idea about CANON's 2007 annual financial report?
In 2007 consolidated net sales rose 7.8% to ¥4,481.3 billion (41.06 billion $) and net income climbed 7.2% to ¥488.3 billion (44.74 billion $).
This is more than a small country's annual budget!!

You honestly believe that Canon Corp. even cares about what Pentax is doing? LOL
Of course Pentax used to be a very innovative and respected company back in analogue years, but today is a different story.

I hope that this year Pentax will prove to Hoya's corporate management / shareholders that they have/cando what it takes to remain under their corporate umbrella!

br
sam
08-28-2008, 07:18 AM   #30
Banned




Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H.
Posts: 5,979
QuoteOriginally posted by Sam Quote
Do you have any idea about CANON's 2007 annual financial report?
In 2007 consolidated net sales rose 7.8% to ¥4,481.3 billion (41.06 billion $) and net income climbed 7.2% to ¥488.3 billion (44.74 billion $).
This is more than a small country's annual budget!!

You honestly believe that Canon Corp. even cares about what Pentax is doing? LOL
Of course Pentax used to be a very innovative and respected company back in analogue years, but today is a different story.

I hope that this year Pentax will prove to Hoya's corporate management / shareholders that they have/cando what it takes to remain under their corporate umbrella!

br
sam

your fancy numbers are leaving out the fact that canon makes most of its money from scanners, printers, ink, etc. that didn't all come from camera sales. in fact only a small portion did. :ugh: and YES canon does very much care what Pentax is doing. so does nikon and olympus and sony and everyone else. you are a fool if you think they don't.
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
pentax, pentax news, pentax rumors
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Are K-7 leaks good or bad for Pentax? cateto Pentax News and Rumors 2 05-20-2009 02:35 AM
K7D Leaks Photographer Upgrade Spec GoldenWreckedAngle Pentax News and Rumors 13 04-29-2009 01:08 PM
3 wks to PMA and no leaks! regken Pentax DSLR Discussion 3 02-16-2007 03:23 PM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:32 PM. | See also: NikonForums.com, CanonForums.com part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top