K3ii replacement

surfar · 09-25-2018, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by neokind

That’s a really narrow revenue stream.

They sell lenses too!

A few Ricohs as well.

The odd 645z.

neokind · 09-25-2018, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by surfar

They sell lenses too!

A few Ricohs as well.

The odd 645z.

They do?! Since when?

surfar · 09-25-2018, 10:38 PM

this morning.

Mistral75 · 09-25-2018, 11:42 PM

Ricoh Imaging used to show mockups ("development announcement') ahead of the actual announcement of completely new products not replacing existing ones: K-1, 70-200mm, 150-450mm, 50mm, 11-18mm and more. Indeed, there is no risk that showcasing such products well ahead of their launch would harm the sale of existing products. They wouldn't announce the development of the K-1 II or the HD Limited lenses, for instance.

However they just announced the development of the Ricoh GR III even though the GR II is not discontinued.

There are only residual inventories of new K-3 IIs and Ricoh Imaging know that its successor is eagerly awaited.

Therefore I am convinced that Ricoh Imaging will announce the development of the successor to K-3 II, showcase a mockup, etc. well ahead of its actual announcement and launch.

Last edited by Mistral75; 09-25-2018 at 11:48 PM.

**ffking** · 09-26-2018, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Therefore I am convinced that Ricoh Imaging will announce the development of the successor to K-3 II, showcase a mockup, etc. well ahead of its actual announcement and launch.

Well, the doors are opening in 45 minutes - it will be interesting to see what's on the stand

**beachgardener** · 09-26-2018, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I am convinced that Ricoh Imaging will announce the development of the successor to K-3 II

Maybe, but they do have the K-3II on display at their stall. Might be a wait for the replacement yet.

Kunzite · 09-26-2018, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Yes. If it happens at all.

Reasoning:
1) K-3II was actually marked as discontinued by Ricoh. A somewhat unprecedented action when there is no replacement.

So either:
A) Ricoh never intended there to be a K-3II replacement and any comments made about it were by people not in the know or misunderstood

B) They did intend to build one but market changes have made them reconsider and it is now canceled
C) They intended to make one but ran into technical issues. Possibly a move to a new sensor / image processor did not go as smooth as hoped

2) There was no announcement for a K-3II replacement at Photokina nor any further hints that they are working on anything
So either:
A) There is no K-3II replacement
B) It is coming but not for some time
C) It is coming soon but nobody in engineering remembered to tell marketing

My guess is that there will be a replacement for the K-3II and the time frame for actual in store availability will be late 2019 or early 2020. If they were at all close to release (within 6 months) they would have said so and there would have been some hints / leaks.

I have been a staunch supporter / optimist regarding Pentax since 2010. But the current state of things is not sustainable. They have no product to sell nor any hints that one will be forthcoming. I'm afraid my optimism has largely evaporated.

My guess is that they had to discontinue the K-3 II earlier because of the older sensor's availability. Ordering a new batch from Sony might've been too expensive, and/or the minimum quantities too large.
My hope for the K-3 II's successor is that it brings something new - even a platform change (which would explain the development time).

UserAccessDenied · 09-26-2018, 04:28 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by beachgardener

Maybe, but they do have the K-3II on display at their stall. Might be a wait for the replacement yet.

Wait a second...
Ricoh is showcasing a discontinued DSLR on display at their stall?

Is this a joke?

When the 'other guys' are showcasing new products, whether or not those new products suck is irrelevant...
How can Ricoh possibly showcase a discontinued product?!

That's not a good way to represent your business...

troenaas · 09-26-2018, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

I see quite a few people ditching there full frame gear and I wonder if the grass wasnt quite as green

I've noticed that quite a few professionals that I follow nowadays are using crop cameras - a few years ago they only talked about and used full frame DSLRs –. The only pro that I now about that never went full frame is the pro macrophotographer Mike Moats.

MMVIII · 09-26-2018, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

Wait a second...
Ricoh is showcasing a discontinued DSLR on display at their stall?

Is this a joke?

When the 'other guys' are showcasing new products, whether or not those new products suck is irrelevant...
How can Ricoh possibly showcase a discontinued product?!

That's not a good way to represent your business...

You can still buy it at most places in Europe (as far as you can buy Pentax equipment at most places at all).
The “discontinued“ label is more something from the forum bubbles. I don't know if it is set under the discontinued models on their webpage, but forum's own dynamic put it there and cemented it. Mainly because some were looking eagerly for signs of an advent of a “successor“, haha.

Edit: just looked at the german page. There it is indeed not under current products. Haven't been there fore some time...

Kunzite · 09-26-2018, 04:48 AM

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

Wait a second...
Ricoh is showcasing a discontinued DSLR on display at their stall?

Is this a joke?

They are? Where???

fsge · 09-26-2018, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Ricoh Imaging used to show mockups ("development announcement') ahead of the actual announcement of completely new products not replacing existing ones: K-1, 70-200mm, 150-450mm, 50mm, 11-18mm and more. Indeed, there is no risk that showcasing such products well ahead of their launch would harm the sale of existing products. They wouldn't announce the development of the K-1 II or the HD Limited lenses, for instance.

However they just announced the development of the Ricoh GR III even though the GR II is not discontinued.

There are only residual inventories of new K-3 IIs and Ricoh Imaging know that its successor is eagerly awaited.

Therefore I am convinced that Ricoh Imaging will announce the development of the successor to K-3 II, showcase a mockup, etc. well ahead of its actual announcement and launch.

No flaw in this senseful argument, K3 III cant be any exception ; we might see this mock up at CP+ 19 for a best case launch next fall...
I will probably buy a KP in the meantime as an appetizer

**beachgardener** · 09-26-2018, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

You can still buy it at most places in Europe

not in Australia, not available from the distributor CR Kennedy

**beachgardener** · 09-26-2018, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by MMVIII

You can still buy it at most places in Europe

not in Australia, not available from the distributor CR Kennedy

hartless_1 · 09-26-2018, 05:34 AM

I wonder if CRK are getting out of Pentax or even photography. Recent fire sales of KP and K-70 and virtually all current stock online offering 20% off.

09-25-2018, 10:38 PM	#1488
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09-26-2018, 04:44 AM	#1495
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by UserAccessDenied Wait a second... Ricoh is showcasing a discontinued DSLR on display at their stall? Is this a joke? When the 'other guys' are showcasing new products, whether or not those new products suck is irrelevant... How can Ricoh possibly showcase a discontinued product?! That's not a good way to represent your business... You can still buy it at most places in Europe (as far as you can buy Pentax equipment at most places at all). The “discontinued“ label is more something from the forum bubbles. I don't know if it is set under the discontinued models on their webpage, but forum's own dynamic put it there and cemented it. Mainly because some were looking eagerly for signs of an advent of a “successor“, haha. Edit: just looked at the german page. There it is indeed not under current products. Haven't been there fore some time... Last edited by MMVIII; 09-26-2018 at 04:54 AM.

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ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Mistral75 Therefore I am convinced that Ricoh Imaging will announce the development of the successor to K-3 II, showcase a mockup, etc. well ahead of its actual announcement and launch. Well, the doors are opening in 45 minutes - it will be interesting to see what's on the stand

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09-26-2018, 04:48 AM	#1496
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by UserAccessDenied Wait a second... Ricoh is showcasing a discontinued DSLR on display at their stall? Is this a joke? They are? Where???

09-26-2018, 05:10 AM	#1497
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by Mistral75 Ricoh Imaging used to show mockups ("development announcement') ahead of the actual announcement of completely new products not replacing existing ones: K-1, 70-200mm, 150-450mm, 50mm, 11-18mm and more. Indeed, there is no risk that showcasing such products well ahead of their launch would harm the sale of existing products. They wouldn't announce the development of the K-1 II or the HD Limited lenses, for instance. However they just announced the development of the Ricoh GR III even though the GR II is not discontinued. There are only residual inventories of new K-3 IIs and Ricoh Imaging know that its successor is eagerly awaited. Therefore I am convinced that Ricoh Imaging will announce the development of the successor to K-3 II, showcase a mockup, etc. well ahead of its actual announcement and launch. No flaw in this senseful argument, K3 III cant be any exception ; we might see this mock up at CP+ 19 for a best case launch next fall... I will probably buy a KP in the meantime as an appetizer

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09-26-2018, 05:21 AM	#1498
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by MMVIII You can still buy it at most places in Europe not in Australia, not available from the distributor CR Kennedy

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hartless_1 New Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Brisbane Posts: 24	I wonder if CRK are getting out of Pentax or even photography. Recent fire sales of KP and K-70 and virtually all current stock online offering 20% off.