K3ii replacement

reh321 · 10-02-2018, 05:06 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

That's pretty impressive!

Most of my photos are of large non-moving objects. Pentax gets them right. The problems I have are with squirrels or birds moving away from me {they never seem to run toward me

}. If I did a lot of that stuff, I'd get a KP + PLM lens right now. This is a case ignored by the folk who decry looking at new equipment, saying "new equipment won't make you a better photographer".

**ThorSanchez** · 10-02-2018, 05:07 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

No problems with birds in flight. Not for a couple of decades.

None? That's the classic example of where Pentax autofocus lets me down: Pull out K-30 or K-3ii, attach 55-300 screw-drive lens, point at bird or airplane flying in bright blue sky, hit autofocus, and whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... everything goes blurry, and the flying thing is gone.

Can you use techniques to help with that, or minimize it? Sure, quick shift to get close, f/7.1 or more for depth of field and let ISO float high, keep everything centered, use back-button. Buy a PLM. But I've had that happen multiple times every time I've tried to shoot birds or airplanes. Sometimes it happens with other subjects like sports.

I doubt a Nikon shooter would claim he has no issues with BIF.

dafbp · 10-02-2018, 06:15 AM - **1 Like**

One aspect where Pentax has been going away from "doing things differently", and instead joining the pack, is in lenses.
Most (all?) of the latest releases are fast and huge, not slow and small like the Ltds.
If they did release a 2xMP FF, it'd have stellar high ISO capabilities, and it'd be the perfect timing to release refreshed Ltds, with quality matching up to the best available, but small. Add to that the increased frame rate and other benefits from lower res/new camera, and they'd have something special (and different) to throw at the mirrorless size advantage.
Alas, we all know they don't have the capabilities to do that.

**Pål Jensen** · 10-02-2018, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

None? That's the classic example of where Pentax autofocus lets me down: Pull out K-30 or K-3ii, attach 55-300 screw-drive lens, point at bird or airplane flying in bright blue sky, hit autofocus, and whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... everything goes blurry, and the flying thing is gone.

Only happens if I can't place the sensor on the correct part of the bird. That is the real challenge.....
BTW Never tried that lens.....

mtgmansf · 10-02-2018, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by dafbp

One aspect where Pentax has been going away from "doing things differently", and instead joining the pack, is in lenses.
Most (all?) of the latest releases are fast and huge, not slow and small like the Ltds.
If they did release a 2xMP FF, it'd have stellar high ISO capabilities, and it'd be the perfect timing to release refreshed Ltds, with quality matching up to the best available, but small. Add to that the increased frame rate and other benefits from lower res/new camera, and they'd have something special (and different) to throw at the mirrorless size advantage.
Alas, we all know they don't have the capabilities to do that.

Agreed. I myself am still waiting for a relatively small, FF lens from any company that is a 14-24mm or 14-28mm F4, with reasonable weight, and WR . Nikon has announced a 14-30mm f4 lens, but someone in the know claims this is a dx lens for a Z5 model, mirrorless camera, with both coming out next year. Frankly, with only astro-photographers really need f2.8 or brighter ultra-wide lenses, but I never have as a mostly daytime, landscape photographer...

Mistral75 · 10-02-2018, 07:28 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mtgmansf

(...) Nikon has announced a 14-30mm f4 lens, but someone in the know claims this is a dx lens for a Z5 model, mirrorless camera, with both coming out next year. (...)

I don't know who this 'someone in the know' is but the Nikkor Z 14-30mm f/4 S is definitely a 24x36 lens that Nikon is showcasing on a (24x36) Z7.

A closer look at Nikon's new Z6 and future Z-mount lenses: Digital Photography Review

mtgmansf · 10-02-2018, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

I don't know who this 'someone in the know' is but the Nikkor Z 14-30mm f/4 S is definitely a 24x36 lens that Nikon is showcasing on a (24x36) Z7.

A closer look at Nikon's new Z6 and future Z-mount lenses: Digital Photography Review

Good to know and thanks for the correction! I believe it was Thom Hogan comment. Does this take filters? If so, what is the filter size? Now the big decision - buy a Z6 and get this lens next year or wait for Pentax's 11-18mm and hope for a higher-end Pentax body to go with it and celebrate 100 years of Pentax greatness and love...

Last edited by mtgmansf; 10-02-2018 at 08:59 AM. Reason: addition.

Mistral75 · 10-02-2018, 08:31 AM - **1 Like**

It definitely take filters, look at this picture published by Digital Camera Watch

【フォトキナ】ミラーレスカメラ「Z 7」を展示したニコン - デジカメ Watch

It's a bit difficult to read but I would say the filter diameter is 82mm.

Kunzite · 10-02-2018, 08:33 AM - **2 Likes**

Buy mirrorless, they say. It's small and light, they say.

reh321 · 10-02-2018, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Buy mirrorless, they say. It's small and light, they say.

Canon and Nikon are pursuing the same dream Pentax is - wide aperture perfect lenses. Compare the DFA* 50mm f/1.4 lens to the Takumar 50mm f/1.4 8 element lens. Both are FF, but the DFA is massive compared to the Takumar ,,,, "the dream" is the source of massive lenses.

Kunzite · 10-02-2018, 08:57 AM

I thought the D FA* is massive, until I've seen the Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 and the Nikon Z 58mm f/0.95...

mtgmansf · 10-02-2018, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

It definitely take filters, look at this picture published by Digital Camera Watch

【フォトキナ】ミラーレスカメラ「Z 7」を展示したニコン - デジカメ Watch

It's a bit difficult to read but I would say the filter diameter is 82mm.

Thanks and hope you a correct. If 95mm, that would be much less desirable for me...

reh321 · 10-02-2018, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I thought the D FA* is massive, until I've seen the Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 and the Nikon Z 58mm f/0.95...

and none of this is relevant to a K-30 replacement as long as it is K-mount.

Mistral75 · 10-02-2018, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by mtgmansf

Thanks and hope you a correct. If 95mm, that would be much less desirable for me...

Not 95mm. The second digit is definitely a 2 or a 7.

reh321 · 10-02-2018, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Not 95mm. The second digit is definitely a 2 or a 7.

People who are willing to pay for perfect lenses have to spend serious money on filters also.

Fortunately, the K-30 replacement will use lenses like the 18-135mm, which uses 62mm filters.

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10-02-2018, 05:06 AM - 1 Like	#1816
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by MarkJerling That's pretty impressive! Most of my photos are of large non-moving objects. Pentax gets them right. The problems I have are with squirrels or birds moving away from me {they never seem to run toward me }. If I did a lot of that stuff, I'd get a KP + PLM lens right now. This is a case ignored by the folk who decry looking at new equipment, saying "new equipment won't make you a better photographer".

10-02-2018, 05:07 AM - 1 Like	#1817
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by Pål Jensen No problems with birds in flight. Not for a couple of decades. None? That's the classic example of where Pentax autofocus lets me down: Pull out K-30 or K-3ii, attach 55-300 screw-drive lens, point at bird or airplane flying in bright blue sky, hit autofocus, and whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... everything goes blurry, and the flying thing is gone. Can you use techniques to help with that, or minimize it? Sure, quick shift to get close, f/7.1 or more for depth of field and let ISO float high, keep everything centered, use back-button. Buy a PLM. But I've had that happen multiple times every time I've tried to shoot birds or airplanes. Sometimes it happens with other subjects like sports. I doubt a Nikon shooter would claim he has no issues with BIF.

10-02-2018, 06:15 AM - 1 Like	#1818
dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 233	One aspect where Pentax has been going away from "doing things differently", and instead joining the pack, is in lenses. Most (all?) of the latest releases are fast and huge, not slow and small like the Ltds. If they did release a 2xMP FF, it'd have stellar high ISO capabilities, and it'd be the perfect timing to release refreshed Ltds, with quality matching up to the best available, but small. Add to that the increased frame rate and other benefits from lower res/new camera, and they'd have something special (and different) to throw at the mirrorless size advantage. Alas, we all know they don't have the capabilities to do that.

10-02-2018, 06:29 AM	#1819
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by ThorSanchez None? That's the classic example of where Pentax autofocus lets me down: Pull out K-30 or K-3ii, attach 55-300 screw-drive lens, point at bird or airplane flying in bright blue sky, hit autofocus, and whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... everything goes blurry, and the flying thing is gone. Only happens if I can't place the sensor on the correct part of the bird. That is the real challenge..... BTW Never tried that lens.....

10-02-2018, 07:09 AM	#1820
mtgmansf Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 321	Originally posted by dafbp One aspect where Pentax has been going away from "doing things differently", and instead joining the pack, is in lenses. Most (all?) of the latest releases are fast and huge, not slow and small like the Ltds. If they did release a 2xMP FF, it'd have stellar high ISO capabilities, and it'd be the perfect timing to release refreshed Ltds, with quality matching up to the best available, but small. Add to that the increased frame rate and other benefits from lower res/new camera, and they'd have something special (and different) to throw at the mirrorless size advantage. Alas, we all know they don't have the capabilities to do that. Agreed. I myself am still waiting for a relatively small, FF lens from any company that is a 14-24mm or 14-28mm F4, with reasonable weight, and WR . Nikon has announced a 14-30mm f4 lens, but someone in the know claims this is a dx lens for a Z5 model, mirrorless camera, with both coming out next year. Frankly, with only astro-photographers really need f2.8 or brighter ultra-wide lenses, but I never have as a mostly daytime, landscape photographer...

10-02-2018, 07:28 AM - 1 Like	#1821
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by mtgmansf (...) Nikon has announced a 14-30mm f4 lens, but someone in the know claims this is a dx lens for a Z5 model, mirrorless camera, with both coming out next year. (...) I don't know who this 'someone in the know' is but the Nikkor Z 14-30mm f/4 S is definitely a 24x36 lens that Nikon is showcasing on a (24x36) Z7. A closer look at Nikon's new Z6 and future Z-mount lenses: Digital Photography Review

10-02-2018, 08:10 AM	#1822
mtgmansf Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 321	Originally posted by Mistral75 I don't know who this 'someone in the know' is but the Nikkor Z 14-30mm f/4 S is definitely a 24x36 lens that Nikon is showcasing on a (24x36) Z7. A closer look at Nikon's new Z6 and future Z-mount lenses: Digital Photography Review Good to know and thanks for the correction! I believe it was Thom Hogan comment. Does this take filters? If so, what is the filter size? Now the big decision - buy a Z6 and get this lens next year or wait for Pentax's 11-18mm and hope for a higher-end Pentax body to go with it and celebrate 100 years of Pentax greatness and love... Last edited by mtgmansf; 10-02-2018 at 08:59 AM. Reason: addition.

10-02-2018, 08:31 AM - 1 Like	#1823
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	It definitely take filters, look at this picture published by Digital Camera Watch 【フォトキナ】ミラーレスカメラ「Z 7」を展示したニコン - デジカメ Watch It's a bit difficult to read but I would say the filter diameter is 82mm.

10-02-2018, 08:33 AM - 2 Likes	#1824
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Buy mirrorless, they say. It's small and light, they say.

10-02-2018, 08:51 AM	#1825
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Kunzite Buy mirrorless, they say. It's small and light, they say. Canon and Nikon are pursuing the same dream Pentax is - wide aperture perfect lenses. Compare the DFA* 50mm f/1.4 lens to the Takumar 50mm f/1.4 8 element lens. Both are FF, but the DFA is massive compared to the Takumar ,,,, "the dream" is the source of massive lenses.

10-02-2018, 08:57 AM	#1826
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I thought the D FA* is massive, until I've seen the Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 and the Nikon Z 58mm f/0.95...

10-02-2018, 08:58 AM	#1827
mtgmansf Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 321	Originally posted by Mistral75 It definitely take filters, look at this picture published by Digital Camera Watch 【フォトキナ】ミラーレスカメラ「Z 7」を展示したニコン - デジカメ Watch It's a bit difficult to read but I would say the filter diameter is 82mm. Thanks and hope you a correct. If 95mm, that would be much less desirable for me...

10-02-2018, 08:59 AM	#1828
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Kunzite I thought the D FA* is massive, until I've seen the Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 and the Nikon Z 58mm f/0.95... and none of this is relevant to a K-30 replacement as long as it is K-mount.

10-02-2018, 09:13 AM	#1829
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by mtgmansf Thanks and hope you a correct. If 95mm, that would be much less desirable for me... Not 95mm. The second digit is definitely a 2 or a 7.

10-02-2018, 09:36 AM	#1830
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by Mistral75 Not 95mm. The second digit is definitely a 2 or a 7. People who are willing to pay for perfect lenses have to spend serious money on filters also. Fortunately, the K-30 replacement will use lenses like the 18-135mm, which uses 62mm filters.