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02-07-2018, 06:18 PM   #256
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ronald Oakes Quote
As long as it has a Flip Down semi articulating screen....I'm fine. Maybe we have already see the end of an APS-C flagship with the K-3II ?
Besides sensor size, how would a K-3iii differ from a K-1ii when both are developed in the same time frame? I was questioning need for K-3iii before .... K-1ii adds to my doubt.

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I think that will be a difficult time for the existing manufacturers. It's quite hard to break through into the luxury market.


Maybe this doesn't fully translate, but look at cars. You have the hyper brands like Bentley and Rolls Royce and Ferrari and Lambo. And the more consumer-luxury brands like Mercedes and Audi and BMW, maybe Lexus. When someone tries to break into these segments it's, hit or miss, at best. Hyundai is trying with Genesis, but nobody really thinks those are on par with the Germans. Even if objectively they're close you don't brag to your coworkers that you have a Genesis. Cadillac was once every bit as prestigious as a Mercedes, then spent years building crappy barges with velvet and chrome and no amount of technical achievement and pricing schemes has really put them on a subjective level with the other established luxury brands. They can't shake the idea that your grandmother drives a Caddy. I know, I cross-shopped a CTS with my Audi. I couldn't do it.


That's what I fear in cameras. Leica isn't a miracle brand. Some of their cameras are thinly disguised Panasonics. They're technically only fractionally better than cameras costing far less. But they're Leica. They still get people to buy $6000 rebadged Panasonics. Pentax will probably never get people to buy $6000 K-3IIIs, even if they paint a red dot on them and put them in exclusive storefronts in London and New York.


Is Pentax Cadillac? Once great, had a down period, now makes objectively very good products but they can't fully shake the idea that their time was long ago?
I don't think Pentax is Cadillac but you need to check out the new Genesis and think about how much you will save on repairs if you keep your car for any length of time. It has also completely split from Hyundai even though many Hyundai dealers will also sell the Genesis. As a value proposition, it makes a great argument for skipping the German high end brands. Reliability and warrantee service wise, it is a no brainer.

I chose Pentax for value of features and IQ versus price, Pentax crushes the opposition. they just don't pay their marketing folks enough to get the word out. (See glassdoor salaries for examples.)

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I would be interested in a K3iii replacement...also would be interested in what Pentax comes out for improvement.

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I'm thinking that a replacement for the K3 II will become be called the K3 IIS, like other models have done so in the past (K-5II S) after an ii model, just sound logical right? there has never been a iii/III model before


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I'm thinking that a replacement for the K3 II will become be called the K3 IIS, like other models have done so in the past (K-5II S) after an ii model, just sound logical right?
The K-5 IIs was announced together with the K-5 II. The only difference in specifications was that the K-5 II had an anti-aliasing filter whilst the K-5 IIs hadn't.
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The K-5 IIs was announced together with the K-5 II. The only difference in specifications was that the K-5 II had an anti-aliasing filter whilst the K-5 IIs hadn't.
Umm ok, I still think that my statement stands thank you
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Umm ok, I still think that my statement stands thank you
As for Pentax, it does not.
But that's fine
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
As for Pentax, it does not.
But that's fine
Ok then name a camera in the pentax range in the last 10 years that has iii III on it?

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QuoteOriginally posted by JASMAZ77 Quote
Ok then name a camera in the pentax range in the last 10 years that has iii III on it?
Don't turn the thing around what you wrote, you wrote 's' means revision of previous body. Not.
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Don't turn the thing around what you wrote, you wrote 's' means revision of previous body. Not.
What? everyone is saying it will go to iii/III I am saying it will go to iiS/IIS. What I am saying is name a pentax camera model in the last 10 years that has iii/III on it? not iiS/IIS. There are none
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You are good at rhetoric but nevertheless wrong. No replacement model to a II model has ever been called IIs, nor has any replacement model been called "S". "N" or "n" yes (e.g. 645N, P30n, SFXn/SF1n, MZ-5n), "p" yes (Z-1p, 5-5p), "II" or "2" yes (645N II, *ist DS2, *ist DL2, K-5 II, K-3 II, GR II), "Super" yes (ME Super, K100D Super), "S" no.

As for no III having ever replaced a II version, Pentax simply just didn't go that far yet, they changed the name in between. It will most certainly be the case this time too: the successor to K-3 II should have a new denomination together, may be, with a new positioning.

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I'm thinking it still won't go to the iii/III version it never has before

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They've used K followed by M, X, R, S and P, so it could be almost anything....perhaps KO. But what does it matter, as long as it's much better than just OK.
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I don't think so.
That's you freewill. After all, this is the Internet.
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