K3ii replacement

superdave · 08-30-2018, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by photobobhunt

As for keeping this thread about the still "vaporware" K-3II upgrade, has Pentax given any clues about what it may be? So it's all just a guess, whishing & hoping .

Just Saying.

I just remember that AsahiMan told it will be more like a KPII than a K-3III, but hope not...

fsge · 08-31-2018, 12:55 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by superdave

I just remember that AsahiMan told it will be more like a KPII than a K-3III, but hope not...

KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters!

agukha · 08-31-2018, 01:36 AM

K-PI, I told you !! ^^

Excalibor · 08-31-2018, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by fsge

KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters!

Yes, but admitting a K-Pii as the K-3ii successor is decidedly confusing, among other things because the K-P gas the first cameras of its line, and because a "K-3iii" would have a secondary display, it would while the K-P is more old style wheels and buttons. A camera that fits both in the K-P philosophy and the 'prosumer' line of K-7, K-5 and K-3 d be certainly amazing!

superdave · 08-31-2018, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by fsge

KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters!

And most important, a GPS

In fact, I want the successor of the K-3II have at least all the features presents in the K-3II (gps, dual slot, batterie life, etc...), no downgrade, plus as you said, a better larger grip of course!

mee · 08-31-2018, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

Vaporware is when a company releases (or claims to,) a product but there is no stock available neither for love nor money. The K-3 II replacement is not vaporware, it is in development. Per interviews posted here. Calling it vaporware is nearly creating FUD. Let's be a bit more precise in our language when talking about our guesses for the future.

Here is a definition of vaporware:

"In the computer industry, vaporware (alt. vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled. Use of the word has broadened to include products such as automobiles."
Vaporware - Wikipedia

and

"Definition of vaporware
: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available"
Vaporware | Definition of Vaporware by Merriam-Webster

Until a product is developed and released, it could be considered vaporware. It isn't FUD.

mee · 08-31-2018, 03:53 AM

Though what strikes me, reading some of the posts in this thread, is this camera can't be all of the things desired at the same time.

Kunzite · 08-31-2018, 04:16 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mee

Here is a definition of vaporware:

"In the computer industry, vaporware (alt. vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled. Use of the word has broadened to include products such as automobiles."
Vaporware - Wikipedia

and

"Definition of vaporware
: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available"
Vaporware | Definition of Vaporware by Merriam-Webster

Until a product is developed and released, it could be considered vaporware. It isn't FUD.

That last part is wrong. As your quote way, "that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled" - clearly, this isn't a normal phase for every product being made.
If we don't have an announcement, and if it doesn't keep missing deadlines, it can't be vaporware.

For example, Duke Nukem - a computer game released after 12 years of talking about it - was clearly vaporware. Until it was launched, when it became a disappointment.
The D FA* 50mm f/1.4, officially postponed once (and which otherwise took longer to develop), is clearly not vaporware. It would've been vaporware if e.g. it would've been promised in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and we'd still wait after it.
The K-3 II's replacement is not vaporware, as we only have a vague information that they're working on it (or on some APS-C flagship). We have no announcement, and no expected release date.

People sometimes are incorrectly using the term vaporware for a pre-announced/expected Pentax product to shed doubt on its future market launch. In such cases, this is indeed FUD.
Others are simply misinterpreting the term.

dafbp · 08-31-2018, 05:12 AM

The DA*11-18 is vapourware.
Any bets on which materializes first, 11-18 or K3iii?

**ffking** · 08-31-2018, 05:43 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by dafbp

The DA*11-18 is vapourware.

there was a prototype with glass and a distance scale months back -fairly substantial, I'd call it

Mark Ransom · 08-31-2018, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by fsge

KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters!

Still needs a second card slot and a GPS to be a proper replacement.

Mark Ransom · 08-31-2018, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by ffking

there was a prototype with glass and a distance scale months back -fairly substantial, I'd call it

Really? I missed that, any pictures?

Mark Ransom · 08-31-2018, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by ffking

there was a prototype with glass and a distance scale months back -fairly substantial, I'd call it

By the way, prototypes don't prevent something from being vaporware. It's only when you can actually purchase it that it ceases to be vaporware.

**ffking** · 08-31-2018, 06:31 AM

Well this is randomly from the internet - last November!

First Hands-on photos of new HD PENTAX-DA* 11-18mm F2.8! | PENTAXever.com

**ffking** · 08-31-2018, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

By the way, prototypes don't prevent something from being vaporware. It's only when you can actually purchase it that it ceases to be vaporware.

Well, lets say it increases the probability that it will materialise substantially

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08-30-2018, 10:34 PM	#916
superdave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 228	Originally posted by photobobhunt As for keeping this thread about the still "vaporware" K-3II upgrade, has Pentax given any clues about what it may be? So it's all just a guess, whishing & hoping . Just Saying. I just remember that AsahiMan told it will be more like a KPII than a K-3III, but hope not...

08-31-2018, 12:55 AM - 1 Like	#917
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by superdave I just remember that AsahiMan told it will be more like a KPII than a K-3III, but hope not... KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters!

08-31-2018, 01:36 AM	#918
agukha Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 367	K-PI, I told you !! ^^

08-31-2018, 03:08 AM	#919
Excalibor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 353	Originally posted by fsge KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters! Yes, but admitting a K-Pii as the K-3ii successor is decidedly confusing, among other things because the K-P gas the first cameras of its line, and because a "K-3iii" would have a secondary display, it would while the K-P is more old style wheels and buttons. A camera that fits both in the K-P philosophy and the 'prosumer' line of K-7, K-5 and K-3 d be certainly amazing!

08-31-2018, 03:27 AM	#920
superdave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 228	Originally posted by fsge KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters! And most important, a GPS In fact, I want the successor of the K-3II have at least all the features presents in the K-3II (gps, dual slot, batterie life, etc...), no downgrade, plus as you said, a better larger grip of course!

08-31-2018, 03:52 AM	#921
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by SSGGeezer Vaporware is when a company releases (or claims to,) a product but there is no stock available neither for love nor money. The K-3 II replacement is not vaporware, it is in development. Per interviews posted here. Calling it vaporware is nearly creating FUD. Let's be a bit more precise in our language when talking about our guesses for the future. Here is a definition of vaporware: "In the computer industry, vaporware (alt. vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled. Use of the word has broadened to include products such as automobiles." Vaporware - Wikipedia and "Definition of vaporware : a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available" Vaporware \| Definition of Vaporware by Merriam-Webster Until a product is developed and released, it could be considered vaporware. It isn't FUD.

08-31-2018, 03:53 AM	#922
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Though what strikes me, reading some of the posts in this thread, is this camera can't be all of the things desired at the same time.

08-31-2018, 04:16 AM - 1 Like	#923
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by mee Here is a definition of vaporware: "In the computer industry, vaporware (alt. vapourware) is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled. Use of the word has broadened to include products such as automobiles." Vaporware - Wikipedia and "Definition of vaporware : a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available" Vaporware \| Definition of Vaporware by Merriam-Webster Until a product is developed and released, it could be considered vaporware. It isn't FUD. That last part is wrong. As your quote way, "that is announced to the general public but is never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled" - clearly, this isn't a normal phase for every product being made. If we don't have an announcement, and if it doesn't keep missing deadlines, it can't be vaporware. For example, Duke Nukem - a computer game released after 12 years of talking about it - was clearly vaporware. Until it was launched, when it became a disappointment. The D FA* 50mm f/1.4, officially postponed once (and which otherwise took longer to develop), is clearly not vaporware. It would've been vaporware if e.g. it would've been promised in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and we'd still wait after it. The K-3 II's replacement is not vaporware, as we only have a vague information that they're working on it (or on some APS-C flagship). We have no announcement, and no expected release date. People sometimes are incorrectly using the term vaporware for a pre-announced/expected Pentax product to shed doubt on its future market launch. In such cases, this is indeed FUD. Others are simply misinterpreting the term.

08-31-2018, 05:12 AM	#924
dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 233	The DA*11-18 is vapourware. Any bets on which materializes first, 11-18 or K3iii?

08-31-2018, 05:43 AM - 1 Like	#925
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by dafbp The DA*11-18 is vapourware. there was a prototype with glass and a distance scale months back -fairly substantial, I'd call it

08-31-2018, 06:26 AM	#926
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by fsge KP is a good camera so KP II will be even better. With improved grip and battery life this camera is perfect for main part of APSC shooters! Still needs a second card slot and a GPS to be a proper replacement.

08-31-2018, 06:27 AM	#927
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by ffking there was a prototype with glass and a distance scale months back -fairly substantial, I'd call it Really? I missed that, any pictures?

08-31-2018, 06:30 AM	#928
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by ffking there was a prototype with glass and a distance scale months back -fairly substantial, I'd call it By the way, prototypes don't prevent something from being vaporware. It's only when you can actually purchase it that it ceases to be vaporware.

08-31-2018, 06:31 AM	#929
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Well this is randomly from the internet - last November! First Hands-on photos of new HD PENTAX-DA* 11-18mm F2.8! \| PENTAXever.com

08-31-2018, 06:33 AM	#930
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Mark Ransom By the way, prototypes don't prevent something from being vaporware. It's only when you can actually purchase it that it ceases to be vaporware. Well, lets say it increases the probability that it will materialise substantially