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09-09-2018, 08:00 AM - 2 Likes   #1171
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I have a different theory.

QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
We're all speculating.. myself included.

I think DPR was correct when they initially reported the KP was the K-3 II successor. They supposedly got that news from Ricoh reps. I think Pentax tried to go a different route with a 'premium' type legacy inspired body and were met with a backlash. After that it was 'discovered' there was a lost-in-translation on the product release announcement and it was now NOT the K-3 II successor. haha I don't think so!

That is, my suspicion is it isnt taking long but they started on an actual K-3 II type successor when the KP was launched and it was met with rather large resistance. That is, if they actually are working one.. Ricoh reps have been known to appease interviewers with responses that cater to their interviewees requests. The way I see it if the product isn't released, it doesn't exist.

So I'd go with a KP or a K-3II if you are interested in a Pentax crop body. Those are your only 'upscale' retail choices.
Rather, I think DPR got it wrong, and/or interpreted what the rep/press liaison said incorrectly.. The KP is missing some important specifications that would make it a true successor, so just by specifications alone it is clear it is not a successor to the K3II. To me it was more of an attempt to ride the wind of the K1's success in an APS-C format body.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Rush2112 Quote
Rather, I think DPR got it wrong, and/or interpreted what the rep/press liaison said incorrectly.. The KP is missing some important specifications that would make it a true successor, so just by specifications alone it is clear it is not a successor to the K3II. To me it was more of an attempt to ride the wind of the K1's success in an APS-C format body.
So, it's possible, by that logic that neither the KP nor the K3 will get a new version, but something that is not quite either will make it's debut. It's possible. Maybe this is how they get the flagship ASP-C and FF cameras to have the same layouts and controls. That wouldn't be a bad move.

I'm still betting that we're going to know soon. I'm willing to wait.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rush2112 Quote
Rather, I think DPR got it wrong, and/or interpreted what the rep/press liaison said incorrectly.. The KP is missing some important specifications that would make it a true successor, so just by specifications alone it is clear it is not a successor to the K3II. To me it was more of an attempt to ride the wind of the K1's success in an APS-C format body.
Between DPR and Ricoh Imaging, who knows better?
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My guess

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So, it's possible, by that logic that neither the KP nor the K3 will get a new version, but something that is not quite either will make it's debut. It's possible. Maybe this is how they get the flagship ASP-C and FF cameras to have the same layouts and controls. That wouldn't be a bad move.

I'm still betting that we're going to know soon. I'm willing to wait.
And this is a guess, nothing new on my end has come my way yet, but the K3 or the GR are my favorites, or both.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Between DPR and Ricoh Imaging, who knows better?
The latter, is the most logical guess

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QuoteOriginally posted by Rush2112 Quote
Rather, I think DPR got it wrong, and/or interpreted what the rep/press liaison said incorrectly.. The KP is missing some important specifications that would make it a true successor, so just by specifications alone it is clear it is not a successor to the K3II. To me it was more of an attempt to ride the wind of the K1's success in an APS-C format body.
No doubt and I agree. However, that still doesn't negate the potential Ricoh decided to reimage the Pentax brand with the K-1 and the KP, got rebuff from their customers, and back peddled in interviews soon after. It is all speculation from everyone here, but that is my thought.


Or my muckmen theory..
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
Or my muckmen theory..
Unfortunately, it makes as much sense as any other. Hopefully we'll know something in the next two weeks.
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Maybe this is how they get the flagship ASP-C and FF cameras to have the same layouts and controls. That wouldn't be a bad move.
The same control layout would be an excellent move for two camera shooters.

I think a K-3 II upgrade would need to be as improved as the K-3 was over the K-5 for it to be truly considered the flagship APS-C.

Compared to it's predecessor, the K-3 introduced an entirely new 24MP sensor, an entirely new 86k pixel metering system vs the old 77 segment metering, more than doubled the number of AF points, and upgraded USB connectivity from USB 2 to USB 3. Big upgrades.

That's the scale of change I hope we will see in any successor to the K-3. Oh, and 4k video.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Yet the K-1 cannot replace an APS-C flagship - it simply doesn't have the speed; and Ricoh Imaging said they'll do an APS-C flagship.
Yes, the K-1 cannot replace a K-3II, except if the price, weight and size of the body and lenses is the same... They are simply not for the same persons.
When K-1 will be cheaper, smaller (EVF?) and when they will be a full lineup of cheaper and smaller DA* f/4 lenses (*16-35*, 24-70,70-200), I will reconsider upgrading from APSC to FF, but for now, I have absolutly no interrest in K-1. I am waiting for 11-18 and a confirmation at photokina that pentax will refresh the old DA* lineup asap.

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Oh, and 4k video.
Now you blew it, it's gonna take forever for them to add it to the Kw (K whatever)

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Yes, the K-1 cannot replace a K-3II, except if the price, weight and size of the body and lenses is the same... They are simply not for the same persons.
When K-1 will be cheaper, smaller (EVF?) and when they will be a full lineup of cheaper and smaller DA* f/4 lenses (*16-35*, 24-70,70-200), I will reconsider upgrading from APSC to FF, but for now, I have absolutly no interrest in K-1. I am waiting for 11-18 and a confirmation at photokina that pentax will refresh the old DA* lineup asap.
The only thing I'd change in what you said (if I understood you correctly), is that I'd like them to be smaller, slower (f/4+), but maintain the same IQ as the current large and expensive ones.
Sure, they wouldn't be cheap, only cheaper, but I think when people buy into a system, especially for a brand like Pentax, which has basically no visibility (not stylish to own) for newer (younger?) buyers, they'll inevitably be comparing it with mirrorless, and whereas price won't be much of a problem, having to choose between quality and size might very well be.
I'm currently not interested in the K1 exactly because they don't have something like the DA 15Ltd for FF, only that huge 15-30. So I wait for the 11-18/K3iii pair...
And they did say they wanted to go upmarket.



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QuoteOriginally posted by superdave Quote
I am waiting for 11-18 and a confirmation at photokina that pentax will refresh the old DA* lineup asap.
I think the 11-18 has already demonstrated that "ASAP" is kind of meaningless under the current staffing at Pentax - and I'm guessing that DFA* is much higher priority than DA*.
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The only thing I'd change in what you said (if I understood you correctly), is that I'd like them to be smaller, slower (f/4+), but maintain the same IQ as the current large and expensive ones.
Sure, they wouldn't be cheap, only cheaper, but I think when people buy into a system, especially for a brand like Pentax, which has basically no visibility (not stylish to own) for newer (younger?) buyers, they'll inevitably be comparing it with mirrorless, and whereas price won't be much of a problem, having to choose between quality and size might very well be.
I'm currently not interested in the K1 exactly because they don't have something like the DA 15Ltd for FF, only that huge 15-30. So I wait for the 11-18/K3iii pair...
And they did say they wanted to go upmarket.
Yes, that's my point, cheaper F/4 lenses with top notch IQ so as Canon is doing with its L series lenses.

CANON 16-35mm EF f/4 L : 1029€ (or 17-40mm f/4 : 679€)
CANON 24-70mm EF f/4 L IS USM : 799€ or (CANON 24-105mm EF f/4 L IS II USM : 1089€)
CANON 70-200mm EF f/4 L IS USM II : 1329€ (or version 1 for 619€)
TOTAL: 3157€
(with many second hands choice and thirds party lenses).

PENTAX 15-30mm f/2.8 ED WR HD FA : 1699 € (cannot use filters, or special very expensive 150mm filter-holder and filters)
PENTAX 24-70mm f/2.8 ED SDM WR : 1299 €
PENTAX DA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW : 2299 €
TOTAL: 5297€

It's currenly very expensive to have a full FF setup in pentaxland.

(I agree its a Landspace photographer spoking which do not care about f/2.8 lenses and UWA lenses that cannot accept filters).
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QuoteOriginally posted by superdave Quote
CANON 16-35mm EF f/4 L : 1029€ (or 17-40mm f/4 : 679€)CANON 24-70mm EF f/4 L IS USM : 799€ or (CANON 24-105mm EF f/4 L IS II USM : 1089€)CANON 70-200mm EF f/4 L IS USM II : 1329€ (or version 1 for 619€)TOTAL: 3157€(with many second hands choice and thirds party lenses).
It's cool that Canon makes the f4 lenses, thanks to them you have decided not to upgrade to a Pentax K1 system and in the meantime you still use your old equipment which have you spend no money. You could get the Canon f4 setup, but not, better use old apsc gear, it's free of charge until it breaks.
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Yes, that's my point, cheaper F/4 lenses with top notch IQ so as Canon is doing with its L series lenses.

CANON 16-35mm EF f/4 L : 1029 (or 17-40mm f/4 : 679)
CANON 24-70mm EF f/4 L IS USM : 799 or (CANON 24-105mm EF f/4 L IS II USM : 1089)
CANON 70-200mm EF f/4 L IS USM II : 1329 (or version 1 for 619)
TOTAL: 3157
(with many second hands choice and thirds party lenses).

PENTAX 15-30mm f/2.8 ED WR HD FA : 1699 (cannot use filters, or special very expensive 150mm filter-holder and filters)
PENTAX 24-70mm f/2.8 ED SDM WR : 1299
PENTAX DA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW : 2299
TOTAL: 5297

It's currenly very expensive to have a full FF setup in pentaxland.

(I agree its a Landspace photographer spoking which do not care about f/2.8 lenses and UWA lenses that cannot accept filters).
Do you plan to buy the D FA 70-200mm f/4?
Selective spending is how we convince Pentax/Ricoh to make a certain type of products.
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Do you plan to buy the D FA 70-200mm f/4?
Selective spending is how we convince Pentax/Ricoh to make a certain type of products.
I am planning on buying it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
Do you plan to buy the D FA 70-200mm f/4?
Selective spending is how we convince Pentax/Ricoh to make a certain type of products.
I'm planning to buy whatever D-FA 24-XX f/4.0
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