K3ii replacement

superdave · 08-21-2018, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by agukha

I feel the AF on my KP is far better than the one on my K3ii.

But I'm missing the inside GPS, I often have to change the battery, and some times I have to wait 5-6s the data written on the card, not even doing rafales (but taking fast photos ok) !

As a nature/landscape guy, having a build in GPS is number 1 feature I am expecting in the future flagship. I don't care about the flash, I never used it on my previous bodies. If they could add flash + GPS that's fine, but I would be very disapointed and I won't buy the K-3III if it don't have a GPS.

There is already a lot of available technologies that would be appreciated in a K-3III without spending time in R&D:

tilt screen,
SRII,
wifi,
5 user modes in a dial,
better NR,
better AF,
tethering,
more processing power,
electronic shutter,
compatibility with Ricoh SDK, etc...

A 20mpxl sensor instead of 24mpxl would be fine too if that could improve ISO a little more for wildlife (such as in D500).

Kunzite · 08-21-2018, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by reh321

So...?

So, there you have it: a DSLR with more than 36MP and faster frame rates (9 with the optional grip).

reh321 · 08-21-2018, 07:29 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by superdave

As a nature/landscape guy, having a build in GPS is number 1 feature I am expecting in the future flagship. I don't care about the flash, I never used it on my previous bodies. If they could add flash + GPS that's fine, but I would be very disapointed and I won't buy the K-3III if it don't have a GPS.

There is already a lot of available technologies that would be appreciated in a K-3III without spending time in R&D:

tilt screen,
SRII,
wifi,
5 user modes in a dial,
better NR,
better AF,
tethering,
more processing power,
electronic shutter,
compatibility with Ricoh SDK, etc...

A 20mpxl sensor instead of 24mpxl would be fine too if that could improve ISO a little more for wildlife (such as in D500).

I spent most of the last years of my career in R&D projects. I can tell you from experience that "just integrating" {putting together pieces that already exist} is a major R&D effort.

reh321 · 08-21-2018, 07:32 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

So, there you have it: a DSLR with more than 36MP and faster frame rates (9 with the optional grip).

What processor do they use? Is that processor available to Pentax?
And you already noted that it takes the extra "juice" from the optional grip.

added:
Honestly, I've heard people here say that fps is one of those bragging "macho" things - Pentax may be of the same opinion

**bobbotron** · 08-21-2018, 07:42 AM - **1 Like**

Man, 40 pages. My K3 is already a great camera. I'd love to have the same thing, but with the KP processor, it doesn't really need anything else.

superdave · 08-21-2018, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I spent most of the last years of my career in R&D projects. I can tell you from experience that "just integrating" {putting together pieces that already exist} is a major R&D effort.

You right, and I know, but that's what Pentax was doing for years, and until now, they released many DSLRs and lenses per year, each one with up to date technologies. So they can do it

Reed · 08-21-2018, 07:47 AM

I would like it to have this "quick release" grip that was patented some time ago.

**bobbotron** · 08-21-2018, 07:49 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

added:
Honestly, I've heard people here say that fps is one of those bragging "macho" things - Pentax may be of the same opinion

I was shooting some waterskiing last weekend with my K3. On high FPS mode, I already have so many keepers, more isn't necessary (IMO) unless you like reviewing zillions of photos (I do not).

**lawsonstone** · 08-21-2018, 07:58 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mikesul

No stress. I am mainly just upping the post count so we can have more K-1 winners. But complaining about what Ricoh does is just silly..

Not to mention making the 10 post minimum, which I think I just did!

Kunzite · 08-21-2018, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by reh321

What processor do they use? Is that processor available to Pentax?
And you already noted that it takes the extra "juice" from the optional grip.

The thing is, DSLRs are not limited to lower performance processors; so Pentax isn't either.
Now if we're talking about the PRIME IV specifically, yeah, that would need to be upgraded. But I have a hard time believing there's no faster option available, than this older Milbeaut.

Actually I'd say that Ricoh has no option but to upgrade the PRIME processor - not to be in line with the best, but to keep up. Who knows, maybe the new APS-C flagship takes so much time because of this.

L.E. The Accelerator Unit might need a boost as well - its introduction slightly affects the K-1 II's APS-C mode frame rate.

reh321 · 08-21-2018, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by superdave

You right, and I know, but that's what Pentax was doing for years, and until now, they released many DSLRs and lenses per year, each one with up to date technologies. So they can do it

The could .... but what is the point?? At one time, digital technology was changing faster, and so a faster release rate made sense. But today, this year people were complaining that the K-1ii was a "face lift". that they questioned the value of another camera so soon, echoing what had been said earlier about the K-3ii. People have all these dreams of what a K-3 replacement could be, but I'm not sure Pentax is ready to deliver that.

reh321 · 08-21-2018, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by lawsonstone

Not to mention making the 10 post minimum, which I think I just did!

That is a low goal - like making a K-3 replacement that differs from the K-3ii only by having burst rate 1 fps faster.
Your eligibility for a "raffle" means nothing if we don't also reach 45,000 posts, which is very questionable right now - we need a posting rate a few percent higher than we've been doing for your eligibility to mean anything.

**jacamar** · 08-21-2018, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by superdave

5 user modes in a dial,

Even with 3 user modes I would appreciate being able to label each one ("macro", "birds in flight", etc.)

reh321 · 08-21-2018, 08:13 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kunzite

The thing is, DSLRs are not limited to lower performance processors; so Pentax isn't either.
Now if we're talking about the PRIME IV specifically, yeah, that would need to be upgraded. But I have a hard time believing there's no faster option available, than this older Milbeaut.

Actually I'd say that Ricoh has no option but to upgrade the PRIME processor - not to be in line with the best, but to keep up. Who knows, maybe the new APS-C flagship takes so much time because of this.

L.E. The Accelerator Unit might need a boost as well - its introduction slightly affects the K-1 II's APS-C mode frame rate.

Then we basically agree - and my main point is that this takes more time to do than to talk about.
I remember many days as a Software Engineer struggling with "one last thing" after another during integration .... each piece worked separately, but tiny issues prevented them from working together, and we often didn't know where the problem lay. Software Engineers and Electrical Engineers spend many hours trying decide the most basic question, whose side of the fence is this issue on.

Mark Ransom · 08-21-2018, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The thing is, DSLRs are not limited to lower performance processors; so Pentax isn't either.
Now if we're talking about the PRIME IV specifically, yeah, that would need to be upgraded. But I have a hard time believing there's no faster option available, than this older Milbeaut.

Actually I'd say that Ricoh has no option but to upgrade the PRIME processor - not to be in line with the best, but to keep up. Who knows, maybe the new APS-C flagship takes so much time because of this.

L.E. The Accelerator Unit might need a boost as well - its introduction slightly affects the K-1 II's APS-C mode frame rate.

Pentax may be locked into the Milbeaut simply because they can't afford to rewrite the camera firmware for a new processor. If there's no upgrade available that would be very unfortunate; it means they backed the wrong horse when they picked a processor however many years ago.

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08-21-2018, 07:23 AM	#586
superdave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 228	Originally posted by agukha I feel the AF on my KP is far better than the one on my K3ii. But I'm missing the inside GPS, I often have to change the battery, and some times I have to wait 5-6s the data written on the card, not even doing rafales (but taking fast photos ok) ! As a nature/landscape guy, having a build in GPS is number 1 feature I am expecting in the future flagship. I don't care about the flash, I never used it on my previous bodies. If they could add flash + GPS that's fine, but I would be very disapointed and I won't buy the K-3III if it don't have a GPS. There is already a lot of available technologies that would be appreciated in a K-3III without spending time in R&D: tilt screen, SRII, wifi, 5 user modes in a dial, better NR, better AF, tethering, more processing power, electronic shutter, compatibility with Ricoh SDK, etc... A 20mpxl sensor instead of 24mpxl would be fine too if that could improve ISO a little more for wildlife (such as in D500).

08-21-2018, 07:27 AM	#587
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 So...? So, there you have it: a DSLR with more than 36MP and faster frame rates (9 with the optional grip).

08-21-2018, 07:29 AM - 1 Like	#588
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by superdave As a nature/landscape guy, having a build in GPS is number 1 feature I am expecting in the future flagship. I don't care about the flash, I never used it on my previous bodies. If they could add flash + GPS that's fine, but I would be very disapointed and I won't buy the K-3III if it don't have a GPS. There is already a lot of available technologies that would be appreciated in a K-3III without spending time in R&D: tilt screen, SRII, wifi, 5 user modes in a dial, better NR, better AF, tethering, more processing power, electronic shutter, compatibility with Ricoh SDK, etc... A 20mpxl sensor instead of 24mpxl would be fine too if that could improve ISO a little more for wildlife (such as in D500). I spent most of the last years of my career in R&D projects. I can tell you from experience that "just integrating" {putting together pieces that already exist} is a major R&D effort.

08-21-2018, 07:32 AM - 1 Like	#589
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by Kunzite So, there you have it: a DSLR with more than 36MP and faster frame rates (9 with the optional grip). What processor do they use? Is that processor available to Pentax? And you already noted that it takes the extra "juice" from the optional grip. added: Honestly, I've heard people here say that fps is one of those bragging "macho" things - Pentax may be of the same opinion

08-21-2018, 07:42 AM - 1 Like	#590
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	Man, 40 pages. My K3 is already a great camera. I'd love to have the same thing, but with the KP processor, it doesn't really need anything else.

08-21-2018, 07:43 AM	#591
superdave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 228	Originally posted by reh321 I spent most of the last years of my career in R&D projects. I can tell you from experience that "just integrating" {putting together pieces that already exist} is a major R&D effort. You right, and I know, but that's what Pentax was doing for years, and until now, they released many DSLRs and lenses per year, each one with up to date technologies. So they can do it

08-21-2018, 07:47 AM	#592
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery Posts: 638	I would like it to have this "quick release" grip that was patented some time ago.

08-21-2018, 07:49 AM - 1 Like	#593
bobbotron Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ottawa, ON Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,349	Originally posted by reh321 added: Honestly, I've heard people here say that fps is one of those bragging "macho" things - Pentax may be of the same opinion I was shooting some waterskiing last weekend with my K3. On high FPS mode, I already have so many keepers, more isn't necessary (IMO) unless you like reviewing zillions of photos (I do not).

08-21-2018, 07:58 AM - 1 Like	#594
lawsonstone Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 376	Originally posted by Mikesul No stress. I am mainly just upping the post count so we can have more K-1 winners. But complaining about what Ricoh does is just silly.. Not to mention making the 10 post minimum, which I think I just did!

08-21-2018, 08:02 AM	#595
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 What processor do they use? Is that processor available to Pentax? And you already noted that it takes the extra "juice" from the optional grip. The thing is, DSLRs are not limited to lower performance processors; so Pentax isn't either. Now if we're talking about the PRIME IV specifically, yeah, that would need to be upgraded. But I have a hard time believing there's no faster option available, than this older Milbeaut. Actually I'd say that Ricoh has no option but to upgrade the PRIME processor - not to be in line with the best, but to keep up. Who knows, maybe the new APS-C flagship takes so much time because of this. L.E. The Accelerator Unit might need a boost as well - its introduction slightly affects the K-1 II's APS-C mode frame rate.

08-21-2018, 08:03 AM	#596
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by superdave You right, and I know, but that's what Pentax was doing for years, and until now, they released many DSLRs and lenses per year, each one with up to date technologies. So they can do it The could .... but what is the point?? At one time, digital technology was changing faster, and so a faster release rate made sense. But today, this year people were complaining that the K-1ii was a "face lift". that they questioned the value of another camera so soon, echoing what had been said earlier about the K-3ii. People have all these dreams of what a K-3 replacement could be, but I'm not sure Pentax is ready to deliver that.

08-21-2018, 08:08 AM	#597
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by lawsonstone Not to mention making the 10 post minimum, which I think I just did! That is a low goal - like making a K-3 replacement that differs from the K-3ii only by having burst rate 1 fps faster. Your eligibility for a "raffle" means nothing if we don't also reach 45,000 posts, which is very questionable right now - we need a posting rate a few percent higher than we've been doing for your eligibility to mean anything.

08-21-2018, 08:09 AM	#598
jacamar Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Toronto Photos: Albums Posts: 3,443	Originally posted by superdave 5 user modes in a dial, Even with 3 user modes I would appreciate being able to label each one ("macro", "birds in flight", etc.)

08-21-2018, 08:13 AM - 2 Likes	#599
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by Kunzite The thing is, DSLRs are not limited to lower performance processors; so Pentax isn't either. Now if we're talking about the PRIME IV specifically, yeah, that would need to be upgraded. But I have a hard time believing there's no faster option available, than this older Milbeaut. Actually I'd say that Ricoh has no option but to upgrade the PRIME processor - not to be in line with the best, but to keep up. Who knows, maybe the new APS-C flagship takes so much time because of this. L.E. The Accelerator Unit might need a boost as well - its introduction slightly affects the K-1 II's APS-C mode frame rate. Then we basically agree - and my main point is that this takes more time to do than to talk about. I remember many days as a Software Engineer struggling with "one last thing" after another during integration .... each piece worked separately, but tiny issues prevented them from working together, and we often didn't know where the problem lay. Software Engineers and Electrical Engineers spend many hours trying decide the most basic question, whose side of the fence is this issue on.

08-21-2018, 08:14 AM	#600
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by Kunzite The thing is, DSLRs are not limited to lower performance processors; so Pentax isn't either. Now if we're talking about the PRIME IV specifically, yeah, that would need to be upgraded. But I have a hard time believing there's no faster option available, than this older Milbeaut. Actually I'd say that Ricoh has no option but to upgrade the PRIME processor - not to be in line with the best, but to keep up. Who knows, maybe the new APS-C flagship takes so much time because of this. L.E. The Accelerator Unit might need a boost as well - its introduction slightly affects the K-1 II's APS-C mode frame rate. Pentax may be locked into the Milbeaut simply because they can't afford to rewrite the camera firmware for a new processor. If there's no upgrade available that would be very unfortunate; it means they backed the wrong horse when they picked a processor however many years ago.