[superdave]

Maybe just do a calculation. What is your K-5 and sigma 10-20 bringing when you sell them? How much is a K-1 (maybe the first model secondhand) with the 15-300mm Pentax lens costing? That maybe would be a good way to go.

Personally, I will never see the K-1 as the successor of K-3 as current FF lenses are way to expensive for me. K-3 and Limited/DA* lenses are the maximum I can do... And I only have 70mm and 300mm right now, saving for the 11-18.
Moreover, even if I could afford FF lenses, these is nothing in the current lineup that I am interested in, except for the 50mm. I would think more about FF if one day Pentax release something like DFA* 16-35 f4, 24-70 f4 or 24-105 f4 as those lenses will be both cheaper and lighter, and would better suit my needs. But currently, K-3II like camera is perfect for me. I just would like more modern lenses to choose in the catalog (revamped DA*) and a flagship (better than KP) which is not discontinued...

[beholder3]

You obviously dont share the same frustration as many of us...

I feel no sympathy for anyone waiting for potential sometime-in-the-future products of any type, least of all people older than 18 years. It makes me wonder about the term "common sense".

Based on your 3-4y market timeframes, K3 platform should have been replaced in 2016 or 2017!

There is no "should have been". The manufacturer publicly hinted at when the 3-4 years started. Most probably sometime in 2017. Not exactly rocket science from there on.

[beachgardener]

But currently, K-3II like camera is perfect for me.

absolutely agree 100%

[RonHendriks1966]

I feel no sympathy for anyone waiting for potential sometime-in-the-future products of any type, least of all people older than 18 years. It makes me wonder about the term "common sense".

Yet we have to be 18 to go to a casino or buy a lotery ticket......how is that for their "common sense"?

[phoebus]

Common sense is the least common of senses....

[ks2user]

I focus on wildlife. I had a k-s2 and wanted a k3iii. I stopped waiting and switched.

I tried a Nikon D750 and a few lenses... What a camera... But carrying it around was horrid.

So I sold the lot and bought an Olympus E-M1ii and a couple of lenses.

I've read a lot of criticism of EVFs.. but I don't personally recognize any of them. No lag, no problem with brightness or flickering. Big. Much better than at least the k-s2 ovf and comparable to the D750.

Then you get the advantages of mirrorless. I love the what you see is what you get on the exposure.

Carrying this thing round is a doddle. With a 300mm equivalent lens it fits in a coat pocket.

The auto focus and IBIS is incredible.

My pictures improved with the Nikon and its amazing AF and DR... A bit less with the Olympus but still improved and even a few months in I'm still learning how to best use mirrorless - in a good and fun way.

I've gone back to shooting in JPEG because the camera is so tweakable and the EVF helps prevent off-exposure. I'm saving a ton of time in Lightroom and I've cancelled my Adobe subscription.

If Pentax bring out an APS-C mirrorless and a new mount I will definitely consider it if the reviews and specs are right. That's partly because I'm done with brand loyalty.

If the best camera for my use is another brand, and if I can afford it, I'll switch.

Admittedly cheap MFT lenses and selling full frame gear definitely helped this time.

[superdave]

If Pentax bring out an APS-C mirrorless and a new mount I will definitely consider it if the reviews and specs are right. That's partly because I'm done with brand loyalty.

Ok for a mirrorless but what would be the point of having a new mount? We already have to wait years to have new lenses in K-mount.

[dafbp]

Common sense is the least common of senses....

Just (especially) because it's common, doesn't mean it's good.
People (myself included) usually say "common sense", when they're actually thinking of "good sense".

[reh321]

Ok for a mirrorless but what would be the point of having a new mount? We already have to wait years to have new lenses in K-mount.

A new mount would allow smaller flange distance - so mount wouldn't stick so far out from the body - but if body has Z6 / Z7 styling with large grip, I don't see why Pentax couldn't stick with K-mount, because mount wouldn't stick out any more than grip does.

[ffking]

I think there are two things that prevents the possibility of an LX-shaped digital camera:
- IBIS
- rear screen
These two increase the minimum depth needed to build a DSLR over a film camera. Arguably the battery does too, but that can be shifted around to some degree.

it should be noted that even the current FF MILCs are deeper than the LX, so I don't think that a DSLR stands a chance

[superdave]

A new mount would allow smaller flange distance - so mount wouldn't stick so far out from the body - but if body has Z6 / Z7 styling with large grip, I don't see why Pentax couldn't stick with K-mount, because mount wouldn't stick out any more than grip does.

Of course it get smaller but if I had to choose, I prefer that Pentax R&D works on new lenses than on a new mount that has no real interest for final user, and which will slow down lenses production again.

[RobG]

Surely end of sale for the K3ii means that a replacement is imminent?

[JPT]

it should be noted that even the current FF MILCs are deeper than the LX, so I don't think that a DSLR stands a chance

I measure the distance from the mount face to the back surface of my MZ-3 to be 53mm and the K-01 to be 58mm. So, the K-01, which was designed to be as small as possible but still has a screen and IBIS, adds 5mm. Not so dramatic. I realize that some other SLRs were a few mm thinner than the MZ-3. The LX seems to be 50mm. I think a K-mount camera that resembles an LX is feasible, but it would help to keep the dimensions down if it were mirrorless like the K-01.

---------- Post added 09-04-18 at 10:29 PM ----------

It's funny that I mentioned the lack of a new generation sensor yesterday, and today we get details of the Fujifilm X-T3 with a 26mp APS-C sensor. It seems that after many years of variations of 24mp, it may be time for a new sensor, and Sony is not keeping it to itself. Fuji haven't particularly got sensors earlier than Pentax in the past as far as I can tell.

[reh321]

I measure the distance from the mount face to the back surface of my MZ-3 to be 53mm and the K-01 to be 58mm. So, the K-01, which was designed to be as small as possible but still has a screen and IBIS, adds 5mm. Not so dramatic. I realize that some other SLRs were a few mm thinner than the MZ-3. The LX seems to be 50mm. I think a K-mount camera that resembles an LX is feasible, but it would help to keep the dimensions down if it were mirrorless like the K-01.

It's funny that I mentioned the lack of a new generation sensor yesterday, and today we get details of the Fujifilm X-T3 with a 26mp APS-C sensor. It seems that after many years of variations of 24mp, it may be time for a new sensor, and Sony is not keeping it to itself. Fuji haven't particularly got sensors earlier than Pentax in the past as far as I can tell.

Yes, a MILC comparable in size to the old svelte SLRs should be possible .... but many users here are happy with what they are doing right now and don't want to see drastic change - in fact they want large cameras, not smaller cameras where they have to use two hands to control a large lens. I am not willing to say right now how pervasive the change to MILC will be, but I think it has the potential to be more "revolutionary" than the other two recent changes - to autofocus and to digital - were. Pentax lost ground during that time, and Kodak was basically forced out of the business.

One time when my family was visiting the Greenfield Village living history museum, I was at one end of the property when the rest of my family decided we should eat at the other end, so I texted "I'm told we'll be there in ten minutes" along with the photo below; we would have been there in five minutes if they'd been using one of their 1920's buses on the route. I'm sure there were people back in 1920 who complained that they got nauseous riding in a car, and some said that the roads just wouldn't handle these new-fangled things, but cars did eventually come to dominate, and buggy makers either made cars or went out of business. I believe that scenario is entirely possible with cameras also. I think it is perfectly fine for companies like Pentax to continue to make DSLRs, but I believe they need to be prepared to make MILCs also, in case the market does suddenly flip in that direction.

[mtgmansf]

I measure the distance from the mount face to the back surface of my MZ-3 to be 53mm and the K-01 to be 58mm. So, the K-01, which was designed to be as small as possible but still has a screen and IBIS, adds 5mm. Not so dramatic. I realize that some other SLRs were a few mm thinner than the MZ-3. The LX seems to be 50mm. I think a K-mount camera that resembles an LX is feasible, but it would help to keep the dimensions down if it were mirrorless like the K-01.

---------- Post added 09-04-18 at 10:29 PM ----------

It's funny that I mentioned the lack of a new generation sensor yesterday, and today we get details of the Fujifilm X-T3 with a 26mp APS-C sensor. It seems that after many years of variations of 24mp, it may be time for a new sensor, and Sony is not keeping it to itself. Fuji haven't particularly got sensors earlier than Pentax in the past as far as I can tell.

Cannot say anything about the new 26mp sensor, but it is an established fact that even Fuji used and still uses Sony sensors, just with their own x-trans filter on most and Bayer on some. If in fact, the new 26mp sensor is from Sony, then that might be good news for Pentax and a new flagship aps-c camera, but only if there are other improved qualities besides a two mp (negligible) advantage. As a reminder, Samsung did have a 28mp aps sensor, but it was hardly better than Sony's 24mp, and had lower DR. And the waiting game continues...