K3ii replacement

solitudebound · 09-11-2018, 08:40 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

I wouldn't be thrilled. I have something like nine lenses. All of my workhorses are APS-C, although I think my 40mm LTD works on FF. My three other FF lenses are manual focus, two special purpose (Lomo Daguerreotype, Helios).

Any push to full frame would mean $1000s in new lenses or a retreat to old manual glass that won't give me the results I currently get from the K-3II.

The idea of the 24mpx mid range full frame market has been a void for quite some time. With recent flops by Nikon and Canon mirrorless and no D750 replacement Sony had almost no resistance against its A73. As much as i dislike Sony you have to admit they didn't miss the mark. All be it any one not noticing that particular void in the camera market would have to be blind or ignorant.

I wouldn't be against a 24mpx full frame mid range Pentax dslr

However a true multipurpose aps-c dslr such as a K-3ii successor is sorely needed.

---------- Post added 09-11-18 at 08:52 AM ----------

Originally posted by Enrique S Toso

Just want the FujiFilm XT3 with a K mount and KP dynamic range...maybe IBIS.I know is mirrorless but I also know that no matter how fantastic the new apsc camera could be, It will not have 4k 10bit 422 clean video output, and I need that, besides my FS5+Shogun Inferno.

The X-T3 is very tempting indeed.

Last edited by solitudebound; 09-11-2018 at 08:51 AM.

reh321 · 09-11-2018, 09:05 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by solitudebound

The X-T3 is very tempting indeed.

I'm not sure whether MILC or FF "K-3 replacement" is more divisive here.

**ThorSanchez** · 09-11-2018, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Is the AF having trouble finding focus, or is it focusing on the wrong thing?
Usually, when I'm having trouble focusing on something still, the issue is that the camera is focusing on the branch rather than on the animal.

I have probably dozens of pictures of my kids playing soccer where the focus locked on the goal, the trees behind the field, the mostly static parents sitting behind the players in motion, etc.

reh321 · 09-11-2018, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

I have probably dozens of pictures of my kids playing soccer where the focus locked on the goal, the trees behind the field, the mostly static parents sitting behind the players in motion, etc.

So the camera locked onto the wrong "subject"?

**ThorSanchez** · 09-11-2018, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by reh321

So the camera locked onto the wrong "subject"?

Yes. The camera couldn't successfully differentiate between the moving subjects the camera was pointed at, and the static stuff in the background. Over the past year or two I've improved my technique and my keeper rate, but I still get more than a few like I described.

**microlight** · 09-11-2018, 09:31 AM - **1 Like**

I can’t see why Ricoh would go to the trouble of developing a new lens like the delayed DA* 11-18 if they weren’t planning a new flagship APS-c to put it on. Anybody who has a good rationale, please enlighten!

Mistral75 · 09-11-2018, 09:44 AM - **1 Like**

Since the DA★ 11-18mm f/2.8 seems to be very much astrophotography and landscape photography oriented, what would be the shortcomings of a KP + DA★ 11-18mm combo compared to a new APS-C flagship + DA★ 11-18mm combo?

mtgmansf · 09-11-2018, 09:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by microlight

I can’t see why Ricoh would go to the trouble of developing a new lens like the delayed DA* 11-18 if they weren’t planning a new flagship APS-c to put it on. Anybody who has a good rationale, please enlighten!

Well several things: 1. Many things are developed, yet not put into production - for example Nikon's three camera compact DL line that was completely ready, but died on the way to the production line. 2. Pent-up demand, since the 12-24mm is about twelve years old! 3. Will the 11-18mm ever see the light of day at all? Cannot remember reading about any other camera brand having lens QC issues, letting months go by, and still not announcing any further news about availability? 4. Suspicious behavior around aps-c cameras and lenses in general; discontinuing your entry and flagship model with no news on the horizon for replacements. If I was a manufacturer in these competitive times - with all sorts of new cameras and lenses being announced and put in production by my competitors - I would certainly want to let my fan base know about my future products, and extend a olive branch to them...(beyond saying something about something at a trade show half a year ago!).

**Pål Jensen** · 09-11-2018, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Since the DA★ 11-18mm f/2.8 seems to be very much astrophotography and landscape photography oriented, what would be the shortcomings of a KP + DA★ 11-18mm combo compared to a new APS-C flagship + DA★ 11-18mm combo?

Battery.

Mistral75 · 09-11-2018, 10:33 AM

Pentax KP's battery grip D-BG7?

Mark Ransom · 09-11-2018, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by microlight

I can’t see why Ricoh would go to the trouble of developing a new lens like the delayed DA* 11-18 if they weren’t planning a new flagship APS-c to put it on. Anybody who has a good rationale, please enlighten!

I'd keep a close eye on the lens roadmap to make sure it doesn't silently disappear.

RonHendriks1966 · 09-11-2018, 11:43 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

I'd keep a close eye on the lens roadmap to make sure it doesn't silently disappear.

Like that da*30mm. .....

**richard0170** · 09-11-2018, 12:40 PM - **2 Likes**

The first point to consider for any K3ii replacement must surely be how much you would be willing to pay for one. When I bought my K3 in Sept 2015 it was about £700 new and the K3ii £850. The biggest shock with the KP was its initial price of around £1250, although it has come down a bit since then. However tempting one might find the D500 or new XT3, they are quite a bit more expensive than the K3 and K3ii. The virtues of the K5 and K3 range are great IQ, good build quality, great handling and user interface at a very competitive price. The newer cameras may well have impressive specifications, but they come at a substantial cost, and those improved specifications over the K3 range are at the margins of most peoples needs. If you are a pro, it may well be worth the extra money but for most of us spending the difference on a photography course, better lenses or going to more interesting places would be more beneficial.
I am not saying I do not want to see a K3ii replacement - one would be nice, perhaps with the KPs sensor and processing powers for enhanced low light performance, but if I can't afford to buy one due to prohibitive cost what would be the point? Pentax should be careful in this regard. Nikon's upgrade to the D7200 , the D7500 is £400 more expensive yet loses some of the more useful functionality and specifications of it's predecessor and by many accounts is not as well built

MarkJerling · 09-11-2018, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

I have probably dozens of pictures of my kids playing soccer where the focus locked on the goal, the trees behind the field, the mostly static parents sitting behind the players in motion, etc.

What AF settings are you using?

surfar · 09-11-2018, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by solitudebound

The X-T3 is very tempting indeed.

It sets the standard for Apsc,$$$ony might match it with the A7000???

---------- Post added 09-12-18 at 08:13 AM ----------

Originally posted by solitudebound

With recent flops by Nikon and Canon mirrorless

They arent flops,they dont quite reach the standard that $$$ony has set with the A7iii.However,with some firmware tweaks they will improve.

The CaNiks will sell extremely well espescially once the tweaks come.Panasonic will bring a better "first FF M/L" to market than anyone.

09-11-2018, 09:47 AM - 1 Like	#1223
mtgmansf Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 321	Originally posted by microlight I can’t see why Ricoh would go to the trouble of developing a new lens like the delayed DA* 11-18 if they weren’t planning a new flagship APS-c to put it on. Anybody who has a good rationale, please enlighten! Well several things: 1. Many things are developed, yet not put into production - for example Nikon's three camera compact DL line that was completely ready, but died on the way to the production line. 2. Pent-up demand, since the 12-24mm is about twelve years old! 3. Will the 11-18mm ever see the light of day at all? Cannot remember reading about any other camera brand having lens QC issues, letting months go by, and still not announcing any further news about availability? 4. Suspicious behavior around aps-c cameras and lenses in general; discontinuing your entry and flagship model with no news on the horizon for replacements. If I was a manufacturer in these competitive times - with all sorts of new cameras and lenses being announced and put in production by my competitors - I would certainly want to let my fan base know about my future products, and extend a olive branch to them...(beyond saying something about something at a trade show half a year ago!). Last edited by mtgmansf; 09-11-2018 at 09:50 AM. Reason: addition.

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09-11-2018, 08:40 AM - 1 Like	#1216
solitudebound Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 140	Originally posted by ThorSanchez I wouldn't be thrilled. I have something like nine lenses. All of my workhorses are APS-C, although I think my 40mm LTD works on FF. My three other FF lenses are manual focus, two special purpose (Lomo Daguerreotype, Helios). Any push to full frame would mean $1000s in new lenses or a retreat to old manual glass that won't give me the results I currently get from the K-3II. The idea of the 24mpx mid range full frame market has been a void for quite some time. With recent flops by Nikon and Canon mirrorless and no D750 replacement Sony had almost no resistance against its A73. As much as i dislike Sony you have to admit they didn't miss the mark. All be it any one not noticing that particular void in the camera market would have to be blind or ignorant. I wouldn't be against a 24mpx full frame mid range Pentax dslr However a true *multipurpose* aps-c dslr such as a K-3ii successor is sorely needed. ---------- Post added 09-11-18 at 08:52 AM ---------- Originally posted by Enrique S Toso Just want the FujiFilm XT3 with a K mount and KP dynamic range...maybe IBIS.I know is mirrorless but I also know that no matter how fantastic the new apsc camera could be, It will not have 4k 10bit 422 clean video output, and I need that, besides my FS5+Shogun Inferno. The X-T3 is very tempting indeed. Last edited by solitudebound; 09-11-2018 at 08:51 AM.

09-11-2018, 09:05 AM - 1 Like	#1217
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by solitudebound The X-T3 is very tempting indeed. I'm not sure whether MILC or FF "K-3 replacement" is more divisive here.

09-11-2018, 09:10 AM	#1218
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by reh321 Is the AF having trouble finding focus, or is it focusing on the wrong thing? Usually, when I'm having trouble focusing on something still, the issue is that the camera is focusing on the branch rather than on the animal. I have probably dozens of pictures of my kids playing soccer where the focus locked on the goal, the trees behind the field, the mostly static parents sitting behind the players in motion, etc.

09-11-2018, 09:12 AM	#1219
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by ThorSanchez I have probably dozens of pictures of my kids playing soccer where the focus locked on the goal, the trees behind the field, the mostly static parents sitting behind the players in motion, etc. So the camera locked onto the wrong "subject"?

09-11-2018, 09:24 AM	#1220
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by reh321 So the camera locked onto the wrong "subject"? Yes. The camera couldn't successfully differentiate between the moving subjects the camera was pointed at, and the static stuff in the background. Over the past year or two I've improved my technique and my keeper rate, but I still get more than a few like I described.

09-11-2018, 09:31 AM - 1 Like	#1221
microlight Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,129	I can’t see why Ricoh would go to the trouble of developing a new lens like the delayed DA* 11-18 if they weren’t planning a new flagship APS-c to put it on. Anybody who has a good rationale, please enlighten!

09-11-2018, 09:44 AM - 1 Like	#1222
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Since the DA★ 11-18mm f/2.8 seems to be very much astrophotography and landscape photography oriented, what would be the shortcomings of a KP + DA★ 11-18mm combo compared to a new APS-C flagship + DA★ 11-18mm combo?

09-11-2018, 10:01 AM	#1224
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Mistral75 Since the DA★ 11-18mm f/2.8 seems to be very much astrophotography and landscape photography oriented, what would be the shortcomings of a KP + DA★ 11-18mm combo compared to a new APS-C flagship + DA★ 11-18mm combo? Battery.

09-11-2018, 10:33 AM	#1225
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Pentax KP's battery grip D-BG7?

09-11-2018, 11:18 AM	#1226
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by microlight I can’t see why Ricoh would go to the trouble of developing a new lens like the delayed DA* 11-18 if they weren’t planning a new flagship APS-c to put it on. Anybody who has a good rationale, please enlighten! I'd keep a close eye on the lens roadmap to make sure it doesn't silently disappear.

09-11-2018, 11:43 AM - 1 Like	#1227
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Mark Ransom I'd keep a close eye on the lens roadmap to make sure it doesn't silently disappear. Like that da*30mm. .....

09-11-2018, 12:40 PM - 2 Likes	#1228
richard0170 Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2017 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,032	The first point to consider for any K3ii replacement must surely be how much you would be willing to pay for one. When I bought my K3 in Sept 2015 it was about £700 new and the K3ii £850. The biggest shock with the KP was its initial price of around £1250, although it has come down a bit since then. However tempting one might find the D500 or new XT3, they are quite a bit more expensive than the K3 and K3ii. The virtues of the K5 and K3 range are great IQ, good build quality, great handling and user interface at a very competitive price. The newer cameras may well have impressive specifications, but they come at a substantial cost, and those improved specifications over the K3 range are at the margins of most peoples needs. If you are a pro, it may well be worth the extra money but for most of us spending the difference on a photography course, better lenses or going to more interesting places would be more beneficial. I am not saying I do not want to see a K3ii replacement - one would be nice, perhaps with the KPs sensor and processing powers for enhanced low light performance, but if I can't afford to buy one due to prohibitive cost what would be the point? Pentax should be careful in this regard. Nikon's upgrade to the D7200 , the D7500 is £400 more expensive yet loses some of the more useful functionality and specifications of it's predecessor and by many accounts is not as well built

09-11-2018, 01:24 PM	#1229
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Originally posted by ThorSanchez I have probably dozens of pictures of my kids playing soccer where the focus locked on the goal, the trees behind the field, the mostly static parents sitting behind the players in motion, etc. What AF settings are you using?

09-11-2018, 02:06 PM	#1230
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by solitudebound The X-T3 is very tempting indeed. It sets the standard for Apsc,$$$ony might match it with the A7000??? ---------- Post added 09-12-18 at 08:13 AM ---------- Originally posted by solitudebound With recent flops by Nikon and Canon mirrorless They arent flops,they dont quite reach the standard that $$$ony has set with the A7iii.However,with some firmware tweaks they will improve. The CaNiks will sell extremely well espescially once the tweaks come.Panasonic will bring a better "first FF M/L" to market than anyone.