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09-23-2018, 04:49 AM   #1456
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Mmm are we even sure the KP sensor is the same as in the K3 ?
No, certainty, reliability, certitude are words that don't help in discussions here (and much less in other parts of the world wide web.).

Fact is, no one of us has only the slightest inside view into electronics and optics product planning, production, cooperation, exchange etc. in a 2018 globalised industry. Still many stick to their once developed ideas, this really puzzles me.

Nevertheless, I also like some amount of speculation, as long as it does not try to dismiss everything a company does, or raise expectations that can only be disappointed. Both contributes to FUD and, now this is my conspiracy theory, someone constabtly spreading it might have an agenda. You know, we are in the www in 2018...

And I like cheese sandwiches or coffee as much as bits of news hidden in these threads...


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QuoteOriginally posted by MMVIII Quote
No, certainty, reliability, certitude are words that don't help in discussions here (and much less in other parts of the https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/www...).
But according to Reed response, we do know they aren't the same sensor.
Which just proves the point made earlier 'just the same sensor and slap the accelerator on it' or somethink alike.
K3 sensor just isn't used anymore. probably not on sale. SO no, an hypothetical K3-III being a K3-II woth accelerator is NOT possible.

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Fact is, no one of us has only the slightest inside view into electronics and optics product planning, production, cooperation, exchange etc. in a 2018 globalised industry. Still many stick to their once developed ideas, this really puzzles me.
Absolutely

QuoteOriginally posted by MMVIII Quote
Nevertheless, I also like some amount of speculation, as long as it does not try to dismiss everything a company does, or raise expectations that can only be disappointed. Both contributes to FUD and, now this is my conspiracy theory, someone constabtly spreading it might have an agenda. You know, we are in the www in 2018...

And I like cheese sandwiches or coffee as much as bits of news hidden in this threads...
Clearly and the other thread being now closed just points in the same direction.
Unfortunately some FUD spreaders aren't 'closed' themselves. Might be of help here.
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I'm quite sure both k-70 and KP use different sensors than K-3. Both have different effective pixel count and DR than k-3 and on sensor phase detection.
The difference is very small between K-3 and K-70/KP. But KP and K-70 have acceleration unit.

K-70 24.78 MP
KP 24.96 MP
K-3II 24.71 MP
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But it shows in clear way that sensors are not the same as in the K-3 and K-3II that both are stated to be 24.71 Mpix. Only other camera today that I'm aware of sporting 24.96 mpix sensor is Leica CL, I dunno if its just coincidence or those are the same units.

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But it shows in clear way that sensors are not the same as in the K-3 and K-3II that both are stated to be 24.71 Mpix. Only other camera today that I'm aware of sporting 24.96 mpix sensor is Leica CL, I dunno if its just coincidence or those are the same units.
It's just different version of the basic 24 MP APS-C sensor. Not the new developed sensor with absolutely different specs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It's just different version of the basic 24 MP APS-C sensor. Not the new developed sensor with absolutely different specs.
I don't understand the point of this discussion. When Pentax does release the K-3 replacement, users can evaluation the strengths and weaknesses of its implementation based on what it actually produces.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It's just different version of the basic 24 MP APS-C sensor. Not the new developed sensor with absolutely different specs.
Can you point me to where you found that information please?

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Can you point me to where you found that information please?
You can compare K-3II's and KP specs.

You can find some info at Sony web-site also
IMX193 24 MP APS-C sensor has max. 8.7 fps

IMX271 24 MP APS-C has 19 fps.

Products Line up for Camera Image Sensor for Camera | Sony Semiconductor Solutions Corporation

Try to guess which sensor is in Pentax cameras?

Sony sensors
IMX210 is in Sony α6000
IMX284 is in Sony α6500


Such sensors have another video specs, 11 fps and phase detection points.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
You can compare K-3II's and KP specs.

You can find some info at Sony web-site also
IMX193 24 MP APS-C sensor has max. 8.7 fps

IMX271 24 MP APS-C has 19 fps.

Products Line up for Camera Image Sensor for Camera | Sony Semiconductor Solutions Corporation

Try to guess which sensor is in Pentax cameras?

Sony sensors
IMX210 is in Sony α6000
IMX284 is in Sony α6500


Such sensors have another video specs, 11 fps and phase detection points.
IMX533 is a new 9 megapixel 1 inch sensor for 360 degrees camera! Maybe for a new Theta?
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
IMX533 is a new 9 megapixel 1 inch sensor for 360 degrees camera! Maybe for a new Theta?
As for me, Theta goes by
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Try to guess which sensor is in Pentax cameras?
That's just it. I don't want to "guess".

You said:
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It's just different version of the basic 24 MP APS-C sensor. Not the new developed sensor with absolutely different specs.
So, which sensor(s) is/are used in Pentax APSC DSLRs?
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QuoteOriginally posted by MarkJerling Quote
That's just it. I don't want to "guess".

You said:

So, which sensor(s) is/are used in Pentax APSC DSLRs?
I'm not your pupil and you are not my teacher to ask me in such manner.
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I'm not your pupil and you are not my teacher to ask me in such manner.
You have made the claim that these three cameras use the same sensor.

QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
The difference is very small between K-3 and K-70/KP. But KP and K-70 have acceleration unit.

K-70 24.78 MP
KP 24.96 MP
K-3II 24.71 MP
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It's just different version of the basic 24 MP APS-C sensor. Not the new developed sensor with absolutely different specs.
I politely asked you where you found the information to make that claim.

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Can you point me to where you found that information please?
You then suggested that I take a guess.

QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Try to guess which sensor is in Pentax cameras?
So, you're making claims that you're not prepared to back up with facts.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MarkJerling Quote
You have made the claim that these three cameras use the same sensor.

I politely asked you where you found the information to make that claim.

You then suggested that I take a guess.

So, you're making claims that you're not prepared to back up with facts.
Might I politely suggest that the two of you continue this exchange by pm?

I subscribe to this thread in the optimistic hope that rumours about the K3ii-replacement might surface some time soon, but it is just the tiniest bit annoying when what LOOKS like an update to the thread is really a personally exchange of unpleasantries. No offense intended. Thank you in advance.
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Might I politely suggest that the two of you continue this exchange by pm?

I subscribe to this thread in the optimistic hope that rumours about the K3ii-replacement might surface some time soon, but it is just the tiniest bit annoying when what LOOKS like an update to the thread is really a personally exchange of unpleasantries. No offense intended. Thank you in advance.
That's the same reason I'm here. What I'm not here for is guesses.
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