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09-26-2018, 07:43 AM - 2 Likes   #1516
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Perhaps. Pentax has the KP. People can want and want and want a K3III, but that won't mean very much to Ricoh.
So why not take a realistic view, and look out for a KP successor, that won't neccessarily have to be a sort of KPII, but may also merge some of the K3 design into it.

Ricoh won't happily give all the eager ones a K3III, and leave the KP's on the shelf. *Their user base is erroding as it is.*

So I would say: open a new thread: the KP successor. What do you want to see in it, when would it realistically appear (when will the KP phase out?).
There is only room for one high end APSC camera with current Pentax/Ricoh.
All other stuff is desire, wishfull thinking, and a lot of fairy dust.

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KP is not high end. features 5-axis SR and has a funny design, yes. But high end? .not a bit.
CoProcessor seems like a hoax to the most of us, that may be why many are leaving. Its like RICOH-Imaging insulting their users.

*I thought that was a bad move anyway to pussyfoot around like that, when it comes to investing in new-gears electronics... but hey, others knew better.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Chris Mak Quote
Perhaps. Pentax has the KP. People can want and want and want a K3III, but that won't mean very much to Ricoh.
So why not take a realistic view, and look out for a KP successor, that won't neccessarily have to be a sort of KPII, but may also merge some of the K3 design into it.

Ricoh won't happily give all the eager ones a K3III, and leave the KP's on the shelf. Their user base is erroding as it is.

So I would say: open a new thread: the KP successor. What do you want to see in it, when would it realistically appear (when will the KP phase out?).
There is only room for one high end APSC camera with current Pentax/Ricoh.
All other stuff is desire, wishfull thinking, and a lot of fairy dust.
Pentax has said that a K-3 successor is coming - not the KP, not a KP successor
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They reiterated that they are working on a K-3 successor, so the KP isn't and was never meant to be the top APS-C model. However, it seems that the K-3 successor won't be able to come out as early as they had wanted.
Hopefully Adam can ask that question again at Photokina, and hopefully he will receive a direct answer.
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Here is another theory: Since Pentax has yet to re-announce the highly-anticipated 11-18mm. Has discontinued by it's aps-c starter and flagship models. Does not see fit to announce any replacements or aps-c or new FF products at Photokina other than a Ricoh grIII, all while others are announcing big things before and during Photokina, Maybe Pentax Imaging is being kept alive only on life support and is selling out their remaining stock. This is the kind of theory Pentax should anticipate when they fail to properly to properly address the needs and wants of their clients...

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QuoteOriginally posted by mtgmansf Quote
Here is another theory: Since Pentax has yet to re-announce the highly-anticipated 11-18mm. Has discontinued by it's aps-c starter and flagship models. Does not see fit to announce any replacements or aps-c or new FF products at Photokina other than a Ricoh grIII, all while others are announcing big things before and during Photokina, Maybe Pentax Imaging is being kept alive only on life support and is selling out their remaining stock. This is the kind of theory Pentax should anticipate when they fail to properly to properly address the needs and wants of their clients...
so what you're trying to say is...


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QuoteOriginally posted by Chris Mak Quote
Ricoh won't happily give all the eager ones a K3III, and leave the KP's on the shelf. Their user base is erroding as it is.

So I would say: open a new thread: the KP successor. What do you want to see in it, when would it realistically appear (when will the KP phase out?).
There is only room for one high end APSC camera with current Pentax/Ricoh.
All other stuff is desire, wishfull thinking, and a lot of fairy dust.

Chris
Well the answer to that is partly in how many new products will be released in 2019.

What is coming:
- the GRIII is a given
- the 70-200mm/f4 is more then likely

What might come:
- Theta seems at it's end since 360 is out of fashion. You can get a Samsung gear 360 for less then 99 euro and they are sometimes given away with a smartphone. So making money on a new model is not easy anymore. There maybe will come one last update version.....
- maybe one other lens, but most likely is that this is only a preview showing up in 2020. The 85mm is the first to come to my mind, and if collaboration with Tokina takes off, this may even get some speed on more lenses.
- a new aps-c body, but I don't expect it in the K-3iii ballpark but below that. To replace either KP or K-70

What is not coming:
- nothing for 645
- no lenses for aps-c
- nothing for the action camera's
- no new fullframe body

Just a personal view.
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
Pentax has said that a K-3 successor is coming - not the KP, not a KP successor
Actually, what was said at CP+: "we are now starting to develop a DSLR camera that can be positioned as K3 successor".
"Now starting" leaves a whole lot of room for change of plan, for what the camera will be. Who cares what it will be called, they have heard the critisism of the Pentax users that thought the KP could not replace the K3 series, so now they are starting to develop a DSLR camera that can be seen as a K3 successor. The may call it whatever.

There is only room for one 1000,- + APSC camera with current Ricoh/Pentax, certainly no more, or they will lose money on either the new camera or the KP stock. So whatever name, whatever words, the only realistic view to take on all this, is that a new APSC camera will come whenever, under whatever name, and Pentax will fit it with some higher end internals to accomodate the K3 successor crowd. At the same time, it will most certainly replace the KP.


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Hopefully Adam can ask that question again at Photokina, and hopefully he will receive a direct answer.


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QuoteOriginally posted by mtgmansf Quote
Here is another theory: Since Pentax has yet to re-announce the highly-anticipated 11-18mm. Has discontinued by it's aps-c starter and flagship models. Does not see fit to announce any replacements or aps-c or new FF products at Photokina other than a Ricoh grIII, all while others are announcing big things before and during Photokina, Maybe Pentax Imaging is being kept alive only on life support and is selling out their remaining stock. This is the kind of theory Pentax should anticipate when they fail to properly to properly address the needs and wants of their clients...
You might have been typing already when I posted my last statement, the one right above yours, but this does not address the issues raised in it. Pentax has said they are developing a K-3 replacement, but it is taking longer than they had expected. We shall see how they respond to questions this time. They may artfully dodge questions, but they don't outright lie.
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KP is not high end. features 5-axis SR and has a funny design, yes. But high end? .not a bit.
CoProcessor seems like a hoax to the most of us, that may be why many are leaving. Its like RICOH-Imaging insulting their users.
The KP was not "high end", and regarding buffer and processor, neither was and is the K1. So Ricoh listened to the critisism, and they will be careful to fit the future APSC flagship camera with some higher end internals.

Still, only room for one top APSC model (around or just above 1000,-) if you ask me. And also according to Pentax/Ricoh judging by their blistering Photokina presence. And who to blame them? How many will run out to buy the next APSC camera with the K1II and KP around? Enough to justify the cost involved?
The KP will be replaced in due time, perhaps end of 2019 or in 2020, and whatever the successor is called, Pentax will certainly make sure it will classify as a K3 successor.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Chris Mak Quote
Actually, what was said at CP+: "we are now starting to develop a DSLR camera that can be positioned as K3 successor".
"Now starting" leaves a whole lot of room for change of plan, for what the camera will be. Who cares what it will be called, they have heard the critisism of the Pentax users that thought the KP could not replace the K3 series, so now they are starting to develop a DSLR camera that can be seen as a K3 successor. The may call it whatever.

There is only room for one 1000,- + APSC camera with current Ricoh/Pentax, certainly no more, or they will lose money on either the new camera or the KP stock. So whatever name, whatever words, the only realistic view to take on all this, is that a new APSC camera will come whenever, under whatever name, and Pentax will fit it with some higher end internals to accomodate the K3 successor crowd. At the same time, it will most certainly replace the KP.
I'm not convinced they wouldn't have both KP and K-3 replacement on the market at the same time ..... even the K-3 and K-3ii co-existed for quite some time, so once we get to this point, we're talking semantics {which is pointless}. What they were initially thinking is also basically pointless {don't assume that we disagree}. The point is that Pentax has promised a K-3 replacement, but it is taking entirely too much time and existing stocks are getting very thin in the meantime.
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I know we're not talking about mirrorless in this thread, but there is some relevance.
Everyone else is walking that path now, I really hope Ricoh doesn't catch this bug...
This is the perfect time to focus heavily on ONE thing and do it RIGHT

Z7 = trash
EOS R = trash

X-T3 = GOAT

Let the mirrorless market do it's thing, Ricoh!

I would love to see a Pentax APS-C flagship that just destroys the competition while everyone else is fiddling over $3500 mirrorless cameras that should have been released 3 years ago at half the price...

In all honesty, Ricoh can't do it all. So they better figure out what kind of company they want to be...
Get lost in the mirrorless mess? You'll lose to Sony and FujiFilm... Nikon and Canon have practically unlimited resources in comparison to Ricoh, and they've failed miserably on their first attempt. Ricoh can't handle a catastrophic failure at that magnitude.

We'll wait and see what happens. But I really don't want to see Pentax fail.
Regardless of what camera I shoot with... Pentax should be at the top with the rest, just doesn't have to be with their entire product line.
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
I'm not convinced they wouldn't have both KP and K-3 replacement on the market at the same time ..... even the K-3 and K-3ii co-existed for quite some time, so once we get to this point, we're talking semantics {which is pointless}. What they were initially thinking is also basically pointless {don't assume that we disagree}. The point is that Pentax has promised a K-3 replacement, but it is taking entirely too much time and existing stocks are getting very thin in the meantime.
K-3 and K-3ii where never in production at the same time. One is introduced while the other runs on left over stock. As was with many models before.

Given that ricoh is saying the K-3ii is an old product.......that means they have no stock left. So camera's for sale are coming from left over stock all around the world. So who wants a K-3ii has just take some time to look around and find a shop that has one or more copy's. There are plenty old models to find around Europe, from K-3ii, K-3, K5ii to K-5.
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K-3 and K-3ii where never in production at the same time. One is introduced while the other runs on left over stock. As was with many models before.

Given that ricoh is saying the K-3ii is an old product.......that means they have no stock left. So camera's for sale are coming from left over stock all around the world. So who wants a K-3ii has just take some time to look around and find a shop that has one or more copy's. There are plenty old models to find around Europe, from K-3ii, K-3, K5ii to K-5.
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As I said, there wouldn't be any wow from the Ricoh side on Photokina!
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Here is another theory: Since Pentax has yet to re-announce the highly-anticipated 11-18mm. Has discontinued by it's aps-c starter and flagship models. Does not see fit to announce any replacements or aps-c or new FF products at Photokina other than a Ricoh grIII, all while others are announcing big things before and during Photokina, Maybe Pentax Imaging is being kept alive only on life support and is selling out their remaining stock. This is the kind of theory Pentax should anticipate when they fail to properly to properly address the needs and wants of their clients...
Where do you see that the K-70 has been discontinued?

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