K3ii replacement

taktoon · 09-26-2018, 02:19 PM

My dream team in Pentax stable:
New three f2.8 da*:
11-18
16-50
50-135
And at least 3 f1.8 or at least f2.0 new da Limiteds with silent motor and wr:
~20
~40
~70
Would set my list for few years. For this Limiteds I would buy KP and for da* new "flagship".

surfar · 09-26-2018, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

X-T3 = GOAT

Raised the bar in Apsc segment!...Only $$$ony can catch it.

---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 08:33 AM ----------

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

Z7 = trash
EOS R = trash

OH, many will disagree.

These systems will grow...they do things now that RI would love to be able to provide in the market.

Most of the ignorant reviewers have skimmed over the specs and formed their opinions,they will change!

Kunzite · 09-26-2018, 02:45 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by surfar

These systems will grow...

After seeing the RF 50mm f/1.2 and Z 58mm f/0.95, that statement makes me shudder.

UserAccessDenied · 09-26-2018, 02:50 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

Raised the bar in Apsc segment!...Only $$$ony can catch it.

---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 08:33 AM ----------

OH, many will disagree.

These systems will grow...they do things now that RI would love to be able to provide in the market.

Most of the ignorant reviewers have skimmed over the specs and formed their opinions,they will change!

Obviously I don't have the cameras in hand... But $3500 for a camera that doesn't have dual card slots? That's a fail already and I don't even have to press the shutter...

I've watched almost every review out there and almost everyone agrees these are not worth their price point.

Sure, they will improve over time. But first iteration is sad. I know they priced it here so their 'next' model can be justified at even higher prices. But that's not fair play in my opinion.

They are simply not worth it at this point.

surfar · 09-26-2018, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

After seeing the RF 50mm f/1.2 and Z 58mm f/0.95, that statement makes me shudder.

It will get faster and bigger, they showed their hands and will try to outdo each other.

28-70mm,stack of primes sets a high standard.Nikon will react in some way.$$$ony should too.

Kunzite · 09-26-2018, 02:55 PM - **1 Like**

No thanks, I'd rather have the D FA* 50mm than some impractical weird monster lens. Wait, I do have it.

reh321 · 09-26-2018, 02:57 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

No thanks, I'd rather have the D FA* 50mm than some impractical weird monster lens. Wait, I do have it.

But that comes from the same mindset, that says large is OK as long as it is wide and perfect - a big change from the Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4.

surfar · 09-26-2018, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

some impractical weird monster lens.

If Ricoh made one,you would buy it!

Kunzite · 09-26-2018, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by surfar

If Ricoh made one,you would buy it!

I would not.
I might get another D FA* though... and almost certainly the ultra wide.

surfar · 09-26-2018, 03:04 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

I've watched almost every review out there and almost everyone agrees these are not worth their price point.

Ive watched and read quite a bit too, value is just an opinion.

These releases are priced where they will compete with the other similar devices.

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

a camera that doesn't have dual card slots? That's a fail already

Better watch the other reviews you missed!

Kunzite · 09-26-2018, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by reh321

But that comes from the same mindset, that says large is OK as long as it is wide and perfect - a big change from the Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4.

Pentax did "large" right. The Canon RF though... externally it's larger than the D FA*, but the glass elements - at least the front ones - are smaller diameter despite being faster. That lens is actually a front focus design, with an inner tube sliding inside a fixed outer tube.
A review claimed -4EV vignetting - now I see why.

surfar · 09-26-2018, 03:06 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

and almost certainly the ultra wide.

You and many many others(including me).

UserAccessDenied · 09-26-2018, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Ive watched and read quite a bit too, value is just an opinion.

These releases are priced where they will compete with the other similar devices.

Better watch the other reviews you missed!

What other similar devices?
The XT-3 destroys these cameras and I could buy two XT-3s and have $500 left over...
If the argument is that the XT-3 is crop... then okay, the A7riii is $500 cheaper, and has WAY more functionality than these two cameras.

And what am I missed here? Both cameras have single card slots, do they not? Unless the specs on B&H are wrong?

surfar · 09-26-2018, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

And what am I missed here? Both cameras have single card slots, do they not?

Yes, do you research and you will find why.

---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:15 AM ----------

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

The XT-3 destroys these cameras and I could buy two XT-3s and have $500 left over...

Its a GOAT!

---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:17 AM ----------

Originally posted by UserAccessDenied

What other similar devices?

Sony M/L...and the Dslr that are similar.

UserAccessDenied · 09-26-2018, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Yes, do you research and you will find why.

---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:15 AM ----------

Its a GOAT!

---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:17 AM ----------

Sony M/L...and the Dslr that are similar.

Orrr you could just tell me (all of us) to save me the time

I meant no dual card slot is a failure to me as a photographer. If it's a technical limitation than so be it, but once you've had a card failure you will NEVER buy a single card slot camera again, regardless of the excuses made by the manufacturer.

XT-3 is GOAT... I want one.

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09-26-2018, 02:19 PM	#1546
taktoon Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 605	My dream team in Pentax stable: New three f2.8 da: 11-18 16-50 50-135 And at least 3 f1.8 or at least f2.0 new da Limiteds with silent motor and wr: ~20 ~40 ~70 Would set my list for few years. For this Limiteds I would buy KP and for da new "flagship".

09-26-2018, 02:24 PM	#1547
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by UserAccessDenied X-T3 = GOAT Raised the bar in Apsc segment!...Only $$$ony can catch it. ---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 08:33 AM ---------- Originally posted by UserAccessDenied Z7 = trash EOS R = trash OH, many will disagree. These systems will grow...they do things now that RI would love to be able to provide in the market. Most of the ignorant reviewers have skimmed over the specs and formed their opinions,they will change!

09-26-2018, 02:45 PM - 3 Likes	#1548
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by surfar These systems will grow... After seeing the RF 50mm f/1.2 and Z 58mm f/0.95, that statement makes me shudder.

09-26-2018, 02:50 PM - 1 Like	#1549
UserAccessDenied Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Maryland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,677	Originally posted by surfar Raised the bar in Apsc segment!...Only $$$ony can catch it. ---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 08:33 AM ---------- OH, many will disagree. These systems will grow...they do things now that RI would love to be able to provide in the market. Most of the ignorant reviewers have skimmed over the specs and formed their opinions,they will change! Obviously I don't have the cameras in hand... But $3500 for a camera that doesn't have dual card slots? That's a fail already and I don't even have to press the shutter... I've watched almost every review out there and almost everyone agrees these are not worth their price point. Sure, they will improve over time. But first iteration is sad. I know they priced it here so their 'next' model can be justified at even higher prices. But that's not fair play in my opinion. They are simply not worth it at this point.

09-26-2018, 02:51 PM	#1550
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by Kunzite After seeing the RF 50mm f/1.2 and Z 58mm f/0.95, that statement makes me shudder. It will get faster and bigger, they showed their hands and will try to outdo each other. 28-70mm,stack of primes sets a high standard.Nikon will react in some way.$$$ony should too.

09-26-2018, 02:55 PM - 1 Like	#1551
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	No thanks, I'd rather have the D FA* 50mm than some impractical weird monster lens. Wait, I do have it.

09-26-2018, 02:57 PM - 1 Like	#1552
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Kunzite No thanks, I'd rather have the D FA* 50mm than some impractical weird monster lens. Wait, I do have it. But that comes from the same mindset, that says large is OK as long as it is wide and perfect - a big change from the Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4.

09-26-2018, 02:59 PM	#1553
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by Kunzite some impractical weird monster lens. If Ricoh made one,you would buy it!

09-26-2018, 03:01 PM	#1554
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by surfar If Ricoh made one,you would buy it! I would not. I might get another D FA* though... and almost certainly the ultra wide.

09-26-2018, 03:04 PM - 1 Like	#1555
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by UserAccessDenied I've watched almost every review out there and almost everyone agrees these are not worth their price point. Ive watched and read quite a bit too, value is just an opinion. These releases are priced where they will compete with the other similar devices. Originally posted by UserAccessDenied a camera that doesn't have dual card slots? That's a fail already Better watch the other reviews you missed!

09-26-2018, 03:05 PM	#1556
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 But that comes from the same mindset, that says large is OK as long as it is wide and perfect - a big change from the Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4. Pentax did "large" right. The Canon RF though... externally it's larger than the D FA*, but the glass elements - at least the front ones - are smaller diameter despite being faster. That lens is actually a front focus design, with an inner tube sliding inside a fixed outer tube. A review claimed -4EV vignetting - now I see why.

09-26-2018, 03:06 PM - 1 Like	#1557
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by Kunzite and almost certainly the ultra wide. You and many many others(including me).

09-26-2018, 03:11 PM	#1558
UserAccessDenied Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Maryland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,677	Originally posted by surfar Ive watched and read quite a bit too, value is just an opinion. These releases are priced where they will compete with the other similar devices. Better watch the other reviews you missed! What other similar devices? The XT-3 destroys these cameras and I could buy two XT-3s and have $500 left over... If the argument is that the XT-3 is crop... then okay, the A7riii is $500 cheaper, and has WAY more functionality than these two cameras. And what am I missed here? Both cameras have single card slots, do they not? Unless the specs on B&H are wrong?

09-26-2018, 03:15 PM	#1559
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Originally posted by UserAccessDenied And what am I missed here? Both cameras have single card slots, do they not? Yes, do you research and you will find why. ---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:15 AM ---------- Originally posted by UserAccessDenied The XT-3 destroys these cameras and I could buy two XT-3s and have $500 left over... Its a GOAT! ---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:17 AM ---------- Originally posted by UserAccessDenied What other similar devices? Sony M/L...and the Dslr that are similar.

09-26-2018, 03:20 PM	#1560
UserAccessDenied Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Maryland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,677	Originally posted by surfar Yes, do you research and you will find why. ---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:15 AM ---------- Its a GOAT! ---------- Post added 09-27-18 at 09:17 AM ---------- Sony M/L...and the Dslr that are similar. Orrr you could just tell me (all of us) to save me the time I meant no dual card slot is a failure to me as a photographer. If it's a technical limitation than so be it, but once you've had a card failure you will NEVER buy a single card slot camera again, regardless of the excuses made by the manufacturer. XT-3 is GOAT... I want one.