K3ii replacement

**beachgardener** · 10-04-2018, 05:09 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

metal

yes full metal, way to go.

**Larrymc** · 10-04-2018, 05:16 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

There is no virtue to carrying future scrap metal around. That is why modern vehicles are made of "space age materials".

There is a virtue to a proper amount of stabilizing heft (aka, scrap metal) in a camera. The main drivers of modern vehicles being made of "space age materials" is government mandates regarding fuel mileage standards.

dafbp · 10-04-2018, 05:24 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

In this case, since end of May, Dark Image Syndrome has been an issue for the first exposure of the day, and everything is normal after that.

Have you tried setting the clock back 1 day at the beginning of each day?

Trickortreat · 10-04-2018, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

There is a virtue to a proper amount of stabilizing heft (aka, scrap metal) in a camera.

Then why is all the competition going in the opposite direction of Pentax and reducing weight of their cameras?

**Larrymc** · 10-04-2018, 05:34 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Trickortreat

Then why is all the competition going in the opposite direction of Pentax and reducing weight of their cameras?

You tell me? I find the weight of the K-3 not to be a burden and the K-3 is whats being discussed here.

photoptimist · 10-04-2018, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by reh321

"Silver KP" has been on my 'purchase soon' list for several months now {mostly looking forward to Black Friday or Cyber Monday} - but I'm so uncertain after the last month or so of talk that I'll probably just continue to use my K-30 for awhile since it continues to work for n-1 photos {first exposure each day lost to Dark Image Syndrome}

You can cure morning Dark Image Syndrome with an M42 lens (or other preset aperture lens) or take a picture that needs an f/32 aperture.

Trickortreat · 10-04-2018, 05:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Larrymc

You tell me?

Cause it's easier to carry lighter things around?

**Larrymc** · 10-04-2018, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

Cause it's easier to carry lighter things around?

So just carry your "smart phone" and leave the DSLR at home or better yet don't buy a DSLR.

Trickortreat · 10-04-2018, 06:05 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Larrymc

So just carry your "smart phone" and leave the DSLR at home or better yet don't buy a DSLR.

Edgy, arent you

There is no virtue in carrying heavy cameras... But there is good reason to make them as lightest as possible without compromising build quality too much.

beholder3 · 10-04-2018, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by Trickortreat

Edgy, arent you

But there is good reason to make them as lightest as possible without compromising build quality too much.

All the recent DSLMs have just gotten fatter and more clunky to the point of not showing any size advantage any longer.

The same goes for DSLM FF lenses, some of which (see Nikon Z) are now 2x the size of same DSLR lenses and not even good performers.

--> 100 people will define the optimum of size versus quality in 100 different ways.
--> for the FF large size seems a complete non-issue for 90% of the market assuming Canon and the small players have access to market reserach data on this.

reh321 · 10-04-2018, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by dafbp

Have you tried setting the clock back 1 day at the beginning of each day?

The people who have taken them apart tell me that Aperture Control is implemented via a little solenoid - materials used in the 'current version' seem to stick together after several year's worth of use .... first use in the morning seems to jolt mine free, for now.

Kunzite · 10-04-2018, 06:33 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

All the recent DSLMs have just gotten fatter and more clunky to the point of not showing any size advantage any longer.

They did???

Compact Camera Meter

(The D FA* image is not quite a proper one...)

Dipsoid · 10-04-2018, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

There is a virtue to a proper amount of stabilizing heft (aka, scrap metal) in a camera. The main drivers of modern vehicles being made of "space age materials" is government mandates regarding fuel mileage standards.

Also safety. The "space age materials" make cars much safer in collisions than steel due to how steel transfers energy.

reh321 · 10-04-2018, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

You can cure morning Dark Image Syndrome with an M42 lens (or other preset aperture lens) or take a picture that needs an f/32 aperture.

I believe key to keeping mechanism 'unstickable' is unsticking it regularly. My "backup" is actually a FA 28-105mm, which has an aperture ring, because anything which allows me to truly control aperture from the lens should bypass the problem.

photoptimist · 10-04-2018, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I believe key to keeping mechanism 'unstickable' is unsticking it regularly. My "backup" is actually a FA 28-105mm, which has an aperture ring, because anything which allows me to truly control aperture from the lens should bypass the problem.

Interesting! In that case, using a few cycles of stop-down metering or digital preview should exercise the aperture mechanism and unstick it.

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10-04-2018, 05:09 AM - 1 Like	#1891
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by reh321 metal yes full metal, way to go.

10-04-2018, 05:16 AM - 1 Like	#1892
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by reh321 There is no virtue to carrying future scrap metal around. That is why modern vehicles are made of "space age materials". There is a virtue to a proper amount of stabilizing heft (aka, scrap metal) in a camera. The main drivers of modern vehicles being made of "space age materials" is government mandates regarding fuel mileage standards.

10-04-2018, 05:24 AM - 1 Like	#1893
dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 233	Originally posted by reh321 In this case, since end of May, Dark Image Syndrome has been an issue for the first exposure of the day, and everything is normal after that. Have you tried setting the clock back 1 day at the beginning of each day?

10-04-2018, 05:29 AM	#1894
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by Larrymc There is a virtue to a proper amount of stabilizing heft (aka, scrap metal) in a camera. Then why is all the competition going in the opposite direction of Pentax and reducing weight of their cameras?

10-04-2018, 05:34 AM - 1 Like	#1895
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by Trickortreat Then why is all the competition going in the opposite direction of Pentax and reducing weight of their cameras? You tell me? I find the weight of the K-3 not to be a burden and the K-3 is whats being discussed here.

10-04-2018, 05:35 AM	#1896
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,122	Originally posted by reh321 "Silver KP" has been on my 'purchase soon' list for several months now {mostly looking forward to Black Friday or Cyber Monday} - but I'm so uncertain after the last month or so of talk that I'll probably just continue to use my K-30 for awhile since it continues to work for n-1 photos {first exposure each day lost to Dark Image Syndrome} You can cure morning Dark Image Syndrome with an M42 lens (or other preset aperture lens) or take a picture that needs an f/32 aperture.

10-04-2018, 05:39 AM - 1 Like	#1897
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by Larrymc You tell me? Cause it's easier to carry lighter things around?

10-04-2018, 05:56 AM	#1898
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by Trickortreat Cause it's easier to carry lighter things around? So just carry your "smart phone" and leave the DSLR at home or better yet don't buy a DSLR.

10-04-2018, 06:05 AM - 1 Like	#1899
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Originally posted by Larrymc So just carry your "smart phone" and leave the DSLR at home or better yet don't buy a DSLR. Edgy, arent you There is no virtue in carrying heavy cameras... But there is good reason to make them as lightest as possible without compromising build quality too much.

10-04-2018, 06:19 AM	#1900
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by Trickortreat Edgy, arent you But there is good reason to make them as lightest as possible without compromising build quality too much. All the recent DSLMs have just gotten fatter and more clunky to the point of not showing any size advantage any longer. The same goes for DSLM FF lenses, some of which (see Nikon Z) are now 2x the size of same DSLR lenses and not even good performers. --> 100 people will define the optimum of size versus quality in 100 different ways. --> for the FF large size seems a complete non-issue for 90% of the market assuming Canon and the small players have access to market reserach data on this.

10-04-2018, 06:24 AM	#1901
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by dafbp Have you tried setting the clock back 1 day at the beginning of each day? The people who have taken them apart tell me that Aperture Control is implemented via a little solenoid - materials used in the 'current version' seem to stick together after several year's worth of use .... first use in the morning seems to jolt mine free, for now.

10-04-2018, 06:33 AM	#1902
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by beholder3 All the recent DSLMs have just gotten fatter and more clunky to the point of not showing any size advantage any longer. They did??? Compact Camera Meter (The D FA* image is not quite a proper one...)

10-04-2018, 06:37 AM	#1903
Dipsoid Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 241	Originally posted by Larrymc There is a virtue to a proper amount of stabilizing heft (aka, scrap metal) in a camera. The main drivers of modern vehicles being made of "space age materials" is government mandates regarding fuel mileage standards. Also safety. The "space age materials" make cars much safer in collisions than steel due to how steel transfers energy.

10-04-2018, 06:43 AM	#1904
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by photoptimist You can cure morning Dark Image Syndrome with an M42 lens (or other preset aperture lens) or take a picture that needs an f/32 aperture. I believe key to keeping mechanism 'unstickable' is unsticking it regularly. My "backup" is actually a FA 28-105mm, which has an aperture ring, because anything which allows me to truly control aperture from the lens should bypass the problem.

10-04-2018, 06:52 AM	#1905
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,122	Originally posted by reh321 I believe key to keeping mechanism 'unstickable' is unsticking it regularly. My "backup" is actually a FA 28-105mm, which has an aperture ring, because anything which allows me to truly control aperture from the lens should bypass the problem. Interesting! In that case, using a few cycles of stop-down metering or digital preview should exercise the aperture mechanism and unstick it.